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> People in our industry are already making far above the median Well, half of them are.

by nbb 10y ago

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tomsthumb 10y ago
He means the median income for the US. An easy, easy majority of developers and sysadmins are making more than the US median income.
wtracy 10y ago
The median income in the US (in 2014) was $29k. The median salary for a software engineer is supposedly $95k. That's more than triple the overall median. Sources: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/software-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/software-engineer-salary-...
- vonmoltke 10y ago
  That's the average salary for a software engineer, not the median. Also, the SSA site uses "net compensation" for their numbers, which they define as "compensation (wages, tips, and the like) subject to Federal income taxes, as reported by employers on Form W-2" and "includes contributions to deferred compensation plans, but excludes certain distributions from plans where the distributions are included in the reported compensation subject to income taxes". It is not clear to me how that maps to salaries reported on Glassdoor.
  - wtracy 10y ago
    I could have sworn that page said median, not average. Thanks for the correction.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  That median salary includes fast food workers and other low/non skilled positions. Comparing our profession against that is dishonest.
  - wtracy 10y ago
    You completely lost me. We weren't discussing the median skilled wage, we were discussing the median wage. The median wage is the median of all wages. Trying to redefine words in the middle of an argument strikes me as dishonest.
    - st3v3r 10y ago
      I didn't redefine anything. I pointed out that the "median wage of all wages" does not add anything in the discussion when we're talking about skilled labor. Trying to compare skilled labor wages to all labor wages of course is going to make it seem like the skilled labor is getting paid too much. That's what's dishonest.

> People in our industry are already making far above the median Well, half of them are.

by nbb 10y ago

> People in our industry are already making far above the median Well, half of them are.

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tomsthumb 10y ago

He means the median income for the US. An easy, easy majority of developers and sysadmins are making more than the US median income.

wtracy 10y ago

The median income in the US (in 2014) was $29k. The median salary for a software engineer is supposedly $95k. That's more than triple the overall median. Sources: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/software-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,17.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/software-engineer-salary-...

vonmoltke 10y ago
That's the average salary for a software engineer, not the median. Also, the SSA site uses "net compensation" for their numbers, which they define as "compensation (wages, tips, and the like) subject to Federal income taxes, as reported by employers on Form W-2" and "includes contributions to deferred compensation plans, but excludes certain distributions from plans where the distributions are included in the reported compensation subject to income taxes". It is not clear to me how that maps to salaries reported on Glassdoor.
- wtracy 10y ago
  I could have sworn that page said median, not average. Thanks for the correction.
st3v3r 10y ago
That median salary includes fast food workers and other low/non skilled positions. Comparing our profession against that is dishonest.
- wtracy 10y ago
  You completely lost me. We weren't discussing the median skilled wage, we were discussing the median wage. The median wage is the median of all wages. Trying to redefine words in the middle of an argument strikes me as dishonest.
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    I didn't redefine anything. I pointed out that the "median wage of all wages" does not add anything in the discussion when we're talking about skilled labor. Trying to compare skilled labor wages to all labor wages of course is going to make it seem like the skilled labor is getting paid too much. That's what's dishonest.