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Same, and when I hooked up a bluetooth keyboard for the first time and propped it up like a regular screen I type at 100% speed. The Apple bluetooth keyboard an

by cwilson 17y ago

Same, and when I hooked up a bluetooth keyboard for the first time and propped it up like a regular screen I type at 100% speed. The Apple bluetooth keyboard and this thing are almost the same size, so on trips I'll be able to answer long emails, write blog posts, and maybe even reply to HN with ease! It's all about expectations with the iPad. It's not going to be a pure laptop replacement if you do any "serious" work (don't even think about web dev for example, although it would be awesome if Panic released Coda for the iPad), but for about 80% of what I do (especially when traveling) it's absolutely perfect. Combine that with home use, coffee shops, and instant child entertainment and you have a device worthy of your $500. If it doesn't fit into your life, don't get it! I still don't understand the point of the reviews where they try to do EVERYTHING possible on the iPad. It's clearly not meant for that, stop treating it like it is.

donjaime_hn 17y ago
erm... sounds like you would be better off with a laptop/netbook ;) Would be a good bit cheaper too.
- cwilson 17y ago
  I have a Macbook Pro, I just don't like lugging it around on trips when it's overkill (the sucker is 5 - 6 pounds easily). A netbook? I hope that's a joke. Why would I want a cheaply built, underpowered (I'll bet the iPad out performs most netbooks), mini laptop that doesn't run OSX or iPhone OS (as in I can't stand Windows or any linux distro)? At risk of sounding like a fanboy I'm going to quote Steve Jobs himself: "We don’t know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk,"
  - tommorris 17y ago
    Depends on how you define 'underpowered'. The iPad is underpowered in that it can't run Vim or emacs. If you are a developer, being able to run a text editor is the baseline for a device. Why would you want a cheaply built laptop? So when your bag gets stolen or dropped or whatever, you lose a $200 netbook rather than a $500 iPad or a $1000 laptop. As for not running OS X? Google 'hackintosh'.
    - cwilson 17y ago
      I actually mentioned in a reply above that the iPad will never be a good machine for development. Honestly, life is too short, I'm not going to sacrifice quality because of a fear that at any moment my bag may be stolen. It's also pretty easy to not, you know, leave your bag sitting somewhere in public? A $300 difference is worth it because of the upgrade in quality and less frustration. Again, this all comes down to your personality and lifestyle. Steve Jobs did not get up on stage and say the iPad is a laptop replacement. It's a device meant to replace SOME, not all, of your daily activities (heck maybe they are not even daily, maybe it's your weekend only device or something). If you don't see it fitting into your life, don't buy one. That doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone other then you though!
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  - Psyonic 17y ago
    There are quite a few netbooks that are more powerful than the iPad, and cheaper to boot. Intel Atom stuff can actually output 1080p video... imagine that? And actually, if you buy the right one, its not all that hard to set one up as a hackintosh either.
    - rimantas 17y ago
      Who cares how powerful iPad is as long as it is fast? And it is fast. And, for the hudnreth time: iPad comes with IPS screen.
      - Psyonic 17y ago
        Sure, that's fine, but he was the one claiming the iPad was more powerful in the first place. I was debunking his claim. If it doesn't matter, why bother claiming it at all? And yes, IPS is nice.
  - megaduck 17y ago
    I've been using a Dell Mini 9 as my primary development machine for over a year now. There's more than enough power to fire up emacs, chrome, and a jvm (we're a JRuby shop). I love the amazing portability, and the ergonomics are adequate. 'Piece of Junk' is in the eyes of the beholder. In my experience, a $300 netbook has been the most productive machine I've ever owned. edit: Sorry about the dupes, for some reason my phone freaked out and sent this three times. Fixed now.
    - pxlpshr 17y ago
      It might be the most productive machine to you because it limits your distractions, but in a head-to-head I'm about 99.9% positive I'm far more productive on my Mac Pro w/ dual monitors because I don't waste my day consuming media. And, I'll put my money where my mouth is. :)
    - elblanco 17y ago
      I bought my netbook as a toy and now use it almost everywhere for almost all of the things I used to do on a full system. I don't even bring along my much more powerful laptop to most places anymore. It's without a doubt the best consumer electronics purchase I've made in the last 5 years. I also know that in a pinch, I can plug in a monitor and a usb keyboard and use it like a full machine (just with no 3d, and a slower processor). But for 95% of what I need (and I need some pretty processor intensive tasks, like photo editing, audio editing, etc.) it works "good enough". And it's unbeatable value for the dollar.
cwilson 17y ago
Down voted for providing a use case where the iPad is actually enjoyable? Nice!
dionysiac 17y ago
"It's all about expectations with the iPad." My thoughts exactly. Purely as a reading device, it will be fantastic for scientific papers which are usually in hard formatted PDFs. Reflowing them for a small e-ink device sucks and makes them hard to read. Having color is a huge bonus (10 shades of grey in a color coded graph is a royal pain). The iPad + the GoodReader app will let you take hundreds of papers and technical books with you. The fact that it has a pretty good web browser and email app with WiFi is an awesome bonus.
- kalid 17y ago
  Agreed. If you come in expecting an all-singing, all-dancing desktop/laptop/server replacement you'll be disappointed. If you want a device to read PDFs, play some games, and browse the web it's fantastic. iPad + GoodReader + 10 hour battery life is bliss.

by cwilson 17y ago

donjaime_hn 17y ago

erm... sounds like you would be better off with a laptop/netbook ;) Would be a good bit cheaper too.

cwilson 17y ago
I have a Macbook Pro, I just don't like lugging it around on trips when it's overkill (the sucker is 5 - 6 pounds easily). A netbook? I hope that's a joke. Why would I want a cheaply built, underpowered (I'll bet the iPad out performs most netbooks), mini laptop that doesn't run OSX or iPhone OS (as in I can't stand Windows or any linux distro)? At risk of sounding like a fanboy I'm going to quote Steve Jobs himself: "We don’t know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk,"
- tommorris 17y ago
  Depends on how you define 'underpowered'. The iPad is underpowered in that it can't run Vim or emacs. If you are a developer, being able to run a text editor is the baseline for a device. Why would you want a cheaply built laptop? So when your bag gets stolen or dropped or whatever, you lose a $200 netbook rather than a $500 iPad or a $1000 laptop. As for not running OS X? Google 'hackintosh'.
  - cwilson 17y ago
    I actually mentioned in a reply above that the iPad will never be a good machine for development. Honestly, life is too short, I'm not going to sacrifice quality because of a fear that at any moment my bag may be stolen. It's also pretty easy to not, you know, leave your bag sitting somewhere in public? A $300 difference is worth it because of the upgrade in quality and less frustration. Again, this all comes down to your personality and lifestyle. Steve Jobs did not get up on stage and say the iPad is a laptop replacement. It's a device meant to replace SOME, not all, of your daily activities (heck maybe they are not even daily, maybe it's your weekend only device or something). If you don't see it fitting into your life, don't buy one. That doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone other then you though!
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- Psyonic 17y ago
  There are quite a few netbooks that are more powerful than the iPad, and cheaper to boot. Intel Atom stuff can actually output 1080p video... imagine that? And actually, if you buy the right one, its not all that hard to set one up as a hackintosh either.
  - rimantas 17y ago
    Who cares how powerful iPad is as long as it is fast? And it is fast. And, for the hudnreth time: iPad comes with IPS screen.
    - Psyonic 17y ago
      Sure, that's fine, but he was the one claiming the iPad was more powerful in the first place. I was debunking his claim. If it doesn't matter, why bother claiming it at all? And yes, IPS is nice.
- megaduck 17y ago
  I've been using a Dell Mini 9 as my primary development machine for over a year now. There's more than enough power to fire up emacs, chrome, and a jvm (we're a JRuby shop). I love the amazing portability, and the ergonomics are adequate. 'Piece of Junk' is in the eyes of the beholder. In my experience, a $300 netbook has been the most productive machine I've ever owned. edit: Sorry about the dupes, for some reason my phone freaked out and sent this three times. Fixed now.
  - pxlpshr 17y ago
    It might be the most productive machine to you because it limits your distractions, but in a head-to-head I'm about 99.9% positive I'm far more productive on my Mac Pro w/ dual monitors because I don't waste my day consuming media. And, I'll put my money where my mouth is. :)
  - elblanco 17y ago
    I bought my netbook as a toy and now use it almost everywhere for almost all of the things I used to do on a full system. I don't even bring along my much more powerful laptop to most places anymore. It's without a doubt the best consumer electronics purchase I've made in the last 5 years. I also know that in a pinch, I can plug in a monitor and a usb keyboard and use it like a full machine (just with no 3d, and a slower processor). But for 95% of what I need (and I need some pretty processor intensive tasks, like photo editing, audio editing, etc.) it works "good enough". And it's unbeatable value for the dollar.

cwilson 17y ago

Down voted for providing a use case where the iPad is actually enjoyable? Nice!

dionysiac 17y ago

"It's all about expectations with the iPad." My thoughts exactly. Purely as a reading device, it will be fantastic for scientific papers which are usually in hard formatted PDFs. Reflowing them for a small e-ink device sucks and makes them hard to read. Having color is a huge bonus (10 shades of grey in a color coded graph is a royal pain). The iPad + the GoodReader app will let you take hundreds of papers and technical books with you. The fact that it has a pretty good web browser and email app with WiFi is an awesome bonus.

kalid 17y ago
Agreed. If you come in expecting an all-singing, all-dancing desktop/laptop/server replacement you'll be disappointed. If you want a device to read PDFs, play some games, and browse the web it's fantastic. iPad + GoodReader + 10 hour battery life is bliss.