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I am not talking about a toolset. I'm talking about how I believe you have a "I'm right, you're stupid and wrong" attitude. So I'm not disputing your opinion ab

by ajkjk 10y ago

I am not talking about a toolset. I'm talking about how I believe you have a "I'm right, you're stupid and wrong" attitude. So I'm not disputing your opinion about Gitless, I'm criticizing how you presented it. I don't think the sentiment is ridiculous, because I think it's correct; clearly if you write it off as ridiculous then we're just talking past each other. Similarly, I don't think I am labeling you in a negative light for "no reason": the reason is that you are acting in a way that I think deserves to be called out negatively, so as to hopefully dissuade you from acting that way. I do happen to think Gitless is a noble effort that will not change the world or be adopted by much of anyone, as with many interesting projects that are posted here, but I still think you should be non-hostile towards it, and sympathetic instead of dismissive towards the problem it is trying to solve (since clearly there are heaps of people who feel the same way, as evidenced by these and many other comment threads).

popmystack 10y ago
>I'm not talking about a toolset. Then leave the thread, because that's what this thread is about. > I'm talking about how I believe you have a "I'm right, you're stupid and wrong" attitude. Incredibly misplaced belief. >So I'm not disputing your opinion about Gitless, I'm criticizing how you presented it. And you felt the need to completely exempt yourself from this criticism. Can't say I'm shocked at this point. >I don't think the sentiment is ridiculous, because I think it's correct; I am not sure what the point of saying this was, other than you really seem hellbent on derailing this. So, as per the last sentence in my previous post, you're both a hypocrite and a troll. >clearly if you write it off as ridiculous then we're just talking past each other. You aren't saying anything, so that's impossible to do. > the reason is that you are acting in a way that I think deserves to be called out negatively, so as to hopefully dissuade you from acting that way. Don't worry, not only am I here to correct the fact that people shouldn't post anything close to what you've been doing in this thread, I'm going to hammer the fact that you're an oblivious, hypocritical troll as well as the fact that there's a downvote button for this exact reason if you really felt that way. But clearly you have other motivations. Your post is pointless, inflammatory, and really deserves a look from a moderator at this point. I'm not going to respond to you anymore past this.
- nkurz 10y ago
  > Then leave the thread > you're both a hypocrite and a troll > I'm not going to respond to you anymore past this Feedback from the outside: ajkjk strikes me as someone making reasonable points and who is capable of productive discussion. You are coming across as unnecessarily arrogant and prickly, and thus someone with whom it's best to avoid discussion. Maybe you are an extremely fluent but non-native speaker of English and your idioms aren't coming across as you want? Or maybe you just prefer a more "aggressive" approach than we are comfortable with? In any case, independent of the technical merit of your arguments, you might reconsider ajkjk's criticism, as I think there are many others (like me) who agree with it.
  - popmystack 10y ago
    You consider his first post to be productive? You must be dreaming. > ajkjk strikes me as someone making reasonable points He is not making any point, so it's weird that you would say that. He hypocritically stated I was coming off as arrogant. Fair game, even though I really don't see how it remotely comes off that way, but you can't exempt yourself from your own criticism in a post that does not constructively further the conversation in any way. > You are coming across as unnecessarily arrogant and prickly, and thus someone with whom it's best to avoid discussion. Apparently so, but I don't see it. I gave my opinion, and that was it. >you might reconsider ajkjk's criticism I most definitely will not, as this is a technical discussion. I'm not going to muddle the waters. Nothing I said was needlessly "arrogant" (at what point was puffing myself up?) -- and if it was prickly then I'd question why it was chosen to focus on that aspect of it instead of directly countering what was stated. When discussing technical matters: leave your ego at the door. At every turn I gave him a chance to actually discuss something and he refused to do so. The fact that you decided to continue this non-sense is mind-boggling to me. What's the point?
    - nkurz 10y ago
      I most definitely will not, as this is a technical discussion. For better or worse, like most discussions, it also has social aspects. Consideration of these aspects may help you better convey your technical points. What's the point? Based on your comment history, you have technical knowledge that others could benefit from, but aren't very successful in getting your point across without being downvoted or flagged. If you continue with your current approach, at some point your account will likely be banned. Whether they are exactly accurate or not, I think contemplating ajkjk's criticisms may help provide you insight that will allow you to have better interactions with HN. The fact that you decided to continue this non-sense is mind-boggling to me. I am generally a very technical person, I use git frequently and only by the command line interface, I think I mostly understand the underlying operations, and yet I frequently am baffled by the commands required to get from where I am to where I want to be. While I likely can overcome this through study and repetition, I think git would be a more useful tool for others in the future if the user facing command line interface was improved. Viewed over the longer term (and I say this as someone who approached git through RCS, CVS, and SVN and likes the improvements Git offers) the current interface is not perfect, is not set in stone, and improvements are a good thing. Assumptions that the 'gitless' authors are only doing this because they do not properly understand the internals of git are likely incorrect. While I don't think 'gitless' quite has the right solution, I think attempts to better align git's command line interface with the underlying operations are commendable, not pointless, and decidedly not nonsense.

by ajkjk 10y ago

popmystack 10y ago

>I'm not talking about a toolset. Then leave the thread, because that's what this thread is about. > I'm talking about how I believe you have a "I'm right, you're stupid and wrong" attitude. Incredibly misplaced belief. >So I'm not disputing your opinion about Gitless, I'm criticizing how you presented it. And you felt the need to completely exempt yourself from this criticism. Can't say I'm shocked at this point. >I don't think the sentiment is ridiculous, because I think it's correct; I am not sure what the point of saying this was, other than you really seem hellbent on derailing this. So, as per the last sentence in my previous post, you're both a hypocrite and a troll. >clearly if you write it off as ridiculous then we're just talking past each other. You aren't saying anything, so that's impossible to do. > the reason is that you are acting in a way that I think deserves to be called out negatively, so as to hopefully dissuade you from acting that way. Don't worry, not only am I here to correct the fact that people shouldn't post anything close to what you've been doing in this thread, I'm going to hammer the fact that you're an oblivious, hypocritical troll as well as the fact that there's a downvote button for this exact reason if you really felt that way. But clearly you have other motivations. Your post is pointless, inflammatory, and really deserves a look from a moderator at this point. I'm not going to respond to you anymore past this.

nkurz 10y ago
> Then leave the thread > you're both a hypocrite and a troll > I'm not going to respond to you anymore past this Feedback from the outside: ajkjk strikes me as someone making reasonable points and who is capable of productive discussion. You are coming across as unnecessarily arrogant and prickly, and thus someone with whom it's best to avoid discussion. Maybe you are an extremely fluent but non-native speaker of English and your idioms aren't coming across as you want? Or maybe you just prefer a more "aggressive" approach than we are comfortable with? In any case, independent of the technical merit of your arguments, you might reconsider ajkjk's criticism, as I think there are many others (like me) who agree with it.
- popmystack 10y ago
  You consider his first post to be productive? You must be dreaming. > ajkjk strikes me as someone making reasonable points He is not making any point, so it's weird that you would say that. He hypocritically stated I was coming off as arrogant. Fair game, even though I really don't see how it remotely comes off that way, but you can't exempt yourself from your own criticism in a post that does not constructively further the conversation in any way. > You are coming across as unnecessarily arrogant and prickly, and thus someone with whom it's best to avoid discussion. Apparently so, but I don't see it. I gave my opinion, and that was it. >you might reconsider ajkjk's criticism I most definitely will not, as this is a technical discussion. I'm not going to muddle the waters. Nothing I said was needlessly "arrogant" (at what point was puffing myself up?) -- and if it was prickly then I'd question why it was chosen to focus on that aspect of it instead of directly countering what was stated. When discussing technical matters: leave your ego at the door. At every turn I gave him a chance to actually discuss something and he refused to do so. The fact that you decided to continue this non-sense is mind-boggling to me. What's the point?
  - nkurz 10y ago
    I most definitely will not, as this is a technical discussion. For better or worse, like most discussions, it also has social aspects. Consideration of these aspects may help you better convey your technical points. What's the point? Based on your comment history, you have technical knowledge that others could benefit from, but aren't very successful in getting your point across without being downvoted or flagged. If you continue with your current approach, at some point your account will likely be banned. Whether they are exactly accurate or not, I think contemplating ajkjk's criticisms may help provide you insight that will allow you to have better interactions with HN. The fact that you decided to continue this non-sense is mind-boggling to me. I am generally a very technical person, I use git frequently and only by the command line interface, I think I mostly understand the underlying operations, and yet I frequently am baffled by the commands required to get from where I am to where I want to be. While I likely can overcome this through study and repetition, I think git would be a more useful tool for others in the future if the user facing command line interface was improved. Viewed over the longer term (and I say this as someone who approached git through RCS, CVS, and SVN and likes the improvements Git offers) the current interface is not perfect, is not set in stone, and improvements are a good thing. Assumptions that the 'gitless' authors are only doing this because they do not properly understand the internals of git are likely incorrect. While I don't think 'gitless' quite has the right solution, I think attempts to better align git's command line interface with the underlying operations are commendable, not pointless, and decidedly not nonsense.