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I imagine a group of people whose base commonality is "we want other people's stuff for free" will find that they jumped into something of a moral tarpit on man

I imagine a group of people whose base commonality is "we want other people's stuff for free" will find that they jumped into something of a moral tarpit on many levels.

seibelj 10y ago
There is a difference between "wanting other people's stuff for free" and believing that the length of copyright (life of author plus 120 years), the penalties for stealing content (5 years felony conviction plus $250,000 fine for each movie downloaded), and the techniques content owners use to get violators (mass sending of dubious lawsuits based on IP address then immediately offer to settle, similar to extortion) has made people angry at IP laws.
- ryanlol 10y ago
  >the penalties for stealing content (5 years felony conviction plus $250,000 fine for each movie downloaded So where exactly do you face such penalties for downloading content?
  - seibelj 10y ago
    It's actually $500k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States#Criminal_penalties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_St...
    - ryanlol 10y ago
      And how many people have faced criminal copyright charges for downloading movies in the US? (hint: none)
      - seibelj 10y ago
        Uhhhh I forgot to respond to this before now, but hundreds every year? Here is one[0]. Another from the Media Institute shows the number of convictions per year through 2011[1]. I don't even understand your arguments. First you didn't believe the penalties were that harsh, then I showed you, then you didn't think anyone actually went to jail, then I showed you. I guess next you'll say no one has ever been executed by the state for downloading movies, so the laws are fine? [0] https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-infringement-fair-sentence-or-utter-madness-130608/ https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-i... [1] http://www.mediainstitute.org/IPI/2011/052511.php http://www.mediainstitute.org/IPI/2011/052511.php
        ryanlol 10y ago
        I don't think you understand. There's a big difference between civil and criminal copyright infringement and it's not exactly easy to commit criminal copyright infringement. Downloading movies does not carry any criminal penalties, and the possible civil penalties for downloading are minimal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Copyright_Law_in_the_United_States#Civil_vs._criminal_copyright_infringement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Copyright_Law_in_the_... >https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-infringement-fair-sentence-or-utter-madness-130608/ https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-i... Are you suggesting that a prison sentence was unreasonable for someone selling stolen software licenses at a massive scale? This isn't some guy downloading the newest episode of "Suits", but a somewhat large commercial operation.

I imagine a group of people whose base commonality is "we want other people's stuff for free" will find that they jumped into something of a moral tarpit on many levels.

seibelj 10y ago

There is a difference between "wanting other people's stuff for free" and believing that the length of copyright (life of author plus 120 years), the penalties for stealing content (5 years felony conviction plus $250,000 fine for each movie downloaded), and the techniques content owners use to get violators (mass sending of dubious lawsuits based on IP address then immediately offer to settle, similar to extortion) has made people angry at IP laws.

ryanlol 10y ago
>the penalties for stealing content (5 years felony conviction plus $250,000 fine for each movie downloaded So where exactly do you face such penalties for downloading content?
- seibelj 10y ago
  It's actually $500k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States#Criminal_penalties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_St...
  - ryanlol 10y ago
    And how many people have faced criminal copyright charges for downloading movies in the US? (hint: none)
    - seibelj 10y ago
      Uhhhh I forgot to respond to this before now, but hundreds every year? Here is one[0]. Another from the Media Institute shows the number of convictions per year through 2011[1]. I don't even understand your arguments. First you didn't believe the penalties were that harsh, then I showed you, then you didn't think anyone actually went to jail, then I showed you. I guess next you'll say no one has ever been executed by the state for downloading movies, so the laws are fine? [0] https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-infringement-fair-sentence-or-utter-madness-130608/ https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-i... [1] http://www.mediainstitute.org/IPI/2011/052511.php http://www.mediainstitute.org/IPI/2011/052511.php
      - ryanlol 10y ago
        I don't think you understand. There's a big difference between civil and criminal copyright infringement and it's not exactly easy to commit criminal copyright infringement. Downloading movies does not carry any criminal penalties, and the possible civil penalties for downloading are minimal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Copyright_Law_in_the_United_States#Civil_vs._criminal_copyright_infringement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Copyright_Law_in_the_... >https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-infringement-fair-sentence-or-utter-madness-130608/ https://torrentfreak.com/87-months-in-prison-for-copyright-i... Are you suggesting that a prison sentence was unreasonable for someone selling stolen software licenses at a massive scale? This isn't some guy downloading the newest episode of "Suits", but a somewhat large commercial operation.