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Turning off the continuous thought-churn and "stopping" the conscious mind is a large part of what meditation is for, at least to begin with. The reason they as

by sirtaj 10y ago

Turning off the continuous thought-churn and "stopping" the conscious mind is a large part of what meditation is for, at least to begin with. The reason they ask you to catch your thoughts and refocus them to a single point - the air travelling through your nose as you breathe, for example - is to teach you how to do exactly that. It takes time and practice but most people can do it.

dominotw 10y ago
>Turning off the continuous thought-churn and "stopping" the conscious mind is a large part of what meditation is for I never really understood the 'stopping' part, how is that even possible? At best you can simply refocus it to something you find peaceful, if that is the case how is meditation any different from say watching a movie that you love or playing drums.
- tkxxx7 10y ago
  Don't you ever remember a time when you had a choice between thinking and not? If not, you're far overdue for some meditation.
- zardo 10y ago
  It's not really about turning off your thoughts, so much as "stepping back" and observing your thoughts. How interesting that that thought wandered by just after this other one. It's "smile", that one feels pretty good. This next one is "boredom"... Fascinating! What is that about? Why do I feel it? What happens if I use "smile" on it? What about this monologue? Can I step back and observe those thoughts? The Zen master says he's thinking about nothing while meditating. That doesn't mean no thought, it means observing the thing that Null pointers point to.
- sirtaj 10y ago
  It's not so much stopping thoughts, as it is to be able to guide your focus at will, as you said. In the end your mind isn't so much blank as hyper-aware of itself without the normal push-pull of thoughts that you described in your earlier comment. Best way I can describe it is as a place where your higher mind is at rest and your instinctive/subconscious mind is fully active. The mystical philosophies around meditation describe it with all sorts of features and properties, but I'll skip getting into that here. I'll just mention martial arts in particular. They practice relentlessly so that the actions are instinctive, then they use meditation so that higher-brain noise doesn't get in the way of that hyper-awareness and instinctive action.
- rzzzt 10y ago
  I occasionally catch moments in which no outside noises are present and I'm not thinking of anything at all. Very rare, but possible (also immediately spoiled by making note of it).
- 8ytecoder 10y ago
  (Personal experience and I'm not at all an expert) See stopping as a metaphor. You are not "not thinking" ever but you can ignore some thoughts. And we do that all the time - usually thoughts we don't like. With meditation you'll learn to do that a bit better. A thought pops up in your head and instead of following it and expanding on it, you simply let it slide. Another one pops up and you do the same. When I meditate for 15mins at most 4-5 mins of it would be close to "peace" - that's all I can manage. When I'm doing it regularly, (it could very well be placebo) I find myself to be less agitated and not following every thought that comes to my head through out the day. I learn to say "not now" and focus on what I'm working on instead.
- WalterSear 10y ago
  >I never really understood the 'stopping' part, how is that even possible? With practice.
- deleted 10y ago
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- curun1r 10y ago
  > if that is the case how is meditation any different from say watching a movie that you love or playing drums. The main difference, I've found, is temporal. By focusing on the breath, you stay grounded in the present moment. Watching a movie will trigger memories or thoughts about the future, which, to me, seem to tax the mind a lot more than simple, objective thoughts about the present moment. Playing the drums could be like this, but you have to get lost in it and be improvising or sight reading something you've never played before. If you're worried about making mistakes, remembering the music or anything along those lines, you're not as in the moment as you could be. Most people don't play that way.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >I never really understood the 'stopping' part, how is that even possible? At best you can simply refocus it to something you find peaceful, if that is the case how is meditation any different from say watching a movie that you love or playing drums. With meditation, if you get good at it, you can get lost in a kind of haze that's way less focused than playing drums or watching a movie. Sort of like sleeping while awake. So that's a lot like "stopping". Sure, neurons will fire, etc, so you're not stopping anything completely, but they also do that when you are sleeping, or when you're completely wasted on weed.

by sirtaj 10y ago

dominotw 10y ago

>Turning off the continuous thought-churn and "stopping" the conscious mind is a large part of what meditation is for I never really understood the 'stopping' part, how is that even possible? At best you can simply refocus it to something you find peaceful, if that is the case how is meditation any different from say watching a movie that you love or playing drums.

tkxxx7 10y ago
Don't you ever remember a time when you had a choice between thinking and not? If not, you're far overdue for some meditation.
zardo 10y ago
It's not really about turning off your thoughts, so much as "stepping back" and observing your thoughts. How interesting that that thought wandered by just after this other one. It's "smile", that one feels pretty good. This next one is "boredom"... Fascinating! What is that about? Why do I feel it? What happens if I use "smile" on it? What about this monologue? Can I step back and observe those thoughts? The Zen master says he's thinking about nothing while meditating. That doesn't mean no thought, it means observing the thing that Null pointers point to.
sirtaj 10y ago
It's not so much stopping thoughts, as it is to be able to guide your focus at will, as you said. In the end your mind isn't so much blank as hyper-aware of itself without the normal push-pull of thoughts that you described in your earlier comment. Best way I can describe it is as a place where your higher mind is at rest and your instinctive/subconscious mind is fully active. The mystical philosophies around meditation describe it with all sorts of features and properties, but I'll skip getting into that here. I'll just mention martial arts in particular. They practice relentlessly so that the actions are instinctive, then they use meditation so that higher-brain noise doesn't get in the way of that hyper-awareness and instinctive action.
rzzzt 10y ago
I occasionally catch moments in which no outside noises are present and I'm not thinking of anything at all. Very rare, but possible (also immediately spoiled by making note of it).
8ytecoder 10y ago
(Personal experience and I'm not at all an expert) See stopping as a metaphor. You are not "not thinking" ever but you can ignore some thoughts. And we do that all the time - usually thoughts we don't like. With meditation you'll learn to do that a bit better. A thought pops up in your head and instead of following it and expanding on it, you simply let it slide. Another one pops up and you do the same. When I meditate for 15mins at most 4-5 mins of it would be close to "peace" - that's all I can manage. When I'm doing it regularly, (it could very well be placebo) I find myself to be less agitated and not following every thought that comes to my head through out the day. I learn to say "not now" and focus on what I'm working on instead.
WalterSear 10y ago
>I never really understood the 'stopping' part, how is that even possible? With practice.
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curun1r 10y ago
> if that is the case how is meditation any different from say watching a movie that you love or playing drums. The main difference, I've found, is temporal. By focusing on the breath, you stay grounded in the present moment. Watching a movie will trigger memories or thoughts about the future, which, to me, seem to tax the mind a lot more than simple, objective thoughts about the present moment. Playing the drums could be like this, but you have to get lost in it and be improvising or sight reading something you've never played before. If you're worried about making mistakes, remembering the music or anything along those lines, you're not as in the moment as you could be. Most people don't play that way.
coldtea 10y ago
>I never really understood the 'stopping' part, how is that even possible? At best you can simply refocus it to something you find peaceful, if that is the case how is meditation any different from say watching a movie that you love or playing drums. With meditation, if you get good at it, you can get lost in a kind of haze that's way less focused than playing drums or watching a movie. Sort of like sleeping while awake. So that's a lot like "stopping". Sure, neurons will fire, etc, so you're not stopping anything completely, but they also do that when you are sleeping, or when you're completely wasted on weed.