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>"Again, not trolling, just giving a place for the educated among us to click a button and say "hey, this stupid racist shit doesn't represent the HN community"

by zo1 10y ago

>"Again, not trolling, just giving a place for the educated among us to click a button and say "hey, this stupid racist shit doesn't represent the HN community"" Ironically, that last part is probably a good part of why you are being down voted.

zajd 10y ago
I honestly have no problems with it. I know these are controversial issues today and taking the stance of "we shouldn't have to put up with racist rhetoric in 2016 in the developed world" is not going to be a popular one, especially when you use sarcasm to convey it. There are assuredly people who will say "it's 2016, I should be able to have my own opinions, whatever they are, and be treated as equal to others" I disagree.
- ori_b 10y ago
  I see that the word "racism" has ceased to have meaning. "I wish there was less passport control and easier migration." "RACIST!"
  - zajd 10y ago
    When a white person laments about how much "we've given up" since 1910 it is a racist action. Sorry the truth hurts. It's similar to those that look back on the 50s as a golden age in America. Sure, it's golden if you're a white male. We haven't given up shit since 1910, progress has been unimaginable and it's actually EASIER to travel internationally now than it was then. So yeah, if you're going to pretend like 1910 was better for this shit in some way, it's only going to be for a very select group of people.
    - ori_b 10y ago
      Yep. Racism has become a meaningless accusation, tossed around so lightly that I can conclude nothing when I hear it. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me a good term for the people like the ones that murdered most of my grandmother's family because of their race.
      - zajd 10y ago
        If you don't think a good portion of the right wing in first world countries wouldn't gladly return to that state of affairs maybe you should take a look at the Trump campaign. Facism is alive and well my friend.
        ori_b 10y ago
        What, where most people have no air conditioning, no cars, no plumbing, no internet, no refrigeration? Where most jobs are back breaking subsistence farming, and almost all the rest are marginally better factory jobs? If you think most humans would return to that, regardless of political affiliation, you're crazy.
        zajd 10y ago
        No to a time where people are murdered simply because of their race. Politicians running for office with 30-40% of the popular vote are calling for nuking countries with no concern for collateral damage... what would you call that?
        ori_b 10y ago
        Your idea of 1914 involves a lot more nukes than mine does.
        zajd 10y ago
        > Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me a good term for the people like the ones that murdered most of my grandmother's family because of their race. This is what you said. Nukes are just a convenient way to eliminate an entire race these days. If you don't think right wingers calling for the middle east to be nuked is in any way related we're probably done here.
        ori_b 10y ago
        Pity. I'm morbidly curious to see what other silly things you're willing to say.
    - turar 10y ago
      It's not easier if you're from the wrong country, or surprise, of wrong color or religion. Refugee crisis is still here. So saying what you said can just as easily be labeled racist.

by zo1 10y ago

zajd 10y ago

I honestly have no problems with it. I know these are controversial issues today and taking the stance of "we shouldn't have to put up with racist rhetoric in 2016 in the developed world" is not going to be a popular one, especially when you use sarcasm to convey it. There are assuredly people who will say "it's 2016, I should be able to have my own opinions, whatever they are, and be treated as equal to others" I disagree.

ori_b 10y ago
I see that the word "racism" has ceased to have meaning. "I wish there was less passport control and easier migration." "RACIST!"
- zajd 10y ago
  When a white person laments about how much "we've given up" since 1910 it is a racist action. Sorry the truth hurts. It's similar to those that look back on the 50s as a golden age in America. Sure, it's golden if you're a white male. We haven't given up shit since 1910, progress has been unimaginable and it's actually EASIER to travel internationally now than it was then. So yeah, if you're going to pretend like 1910 was better for this shit in some way, it's only going to be for a very select group of people.
  - ori_b 10y ago
    Yep. Racism has become a meaningless accusation, tossed around so lightly that I can conclude nothing when I hear it. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me a good term for the people like the ones that murdered most of my grandmother's family because of their race.
    - zajd 10y ago
      If you don't think a good portion of the right wing in first world countries wouldn't gladly return to that state of affairs maybe you should take a look at the Trump campaign. Facism is alive and well my friend.
      - ori_b 10y ago
        What, where most people have no air conditioning, no cars, no plumbing, no internet, no refrigeration? Where most jobs are back breaking subsistence farming, and almost all the rest are marginally better factory jobs? If you think most humans would return to that, regardless of political affiliation, you're crazy.
        zajd 10y ago
        No to a time where people are murdered simply because of their race. Politicians running for office with 30-40% of the popular vote are calling for nuking countries with no concern for collateral damage... what would you call that?
        ori_b 10y ago
        Your idea of 1914 involves a lot more nukes than mine does.
        zajd 10y ago
        > Unfortunately, that doesn't leave me a good term for the people like the ones that murdered most of my grandmother's family because of their race. This is what you said. Nukes are just a convenient way to eliminate an entire race these days. If you don't think right wingers calling for the middle east to be nuked is in any way related we're probably done here.
        ori_b 10y ago
        Pity. I'm morbidly curious to see what other silly things you're willing to say.
  - turar 10y ago
    It's not easier if you're from the wrong country, or surprise, of wrong color or religion. Refugee crisis is still here. So saying what you said can just as easily be labeled racist.