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> Git is, like many professional tools, something you simply got to learn. Nailed it.

by vbtemp 10y ago

rplst8 10y ago
Agreed. I'm seeing terms like "elitist" being thrown around below for "git apologists" when it's simply a matter of learning a tool. Not everyone needs all the power of the git CLI and the complications it brings - but when you do need it, it's there to fix the dumb things we all do sometimes. I think if you look deep in the guts of Clearcase for example you will see nastiness that makes git look like the ls command.
- nickpsecurity 10y ago
  " I'm seeing terms like "elitist" being thrown around below for "git apologists" when it's simply a matter of learning a tool." Some tools people encounter seem unintuitive and have a steep learning curve. Others that do the same thing are super easy to understand and learn. Git vs Gitless is a good example where Gitless instantly clicked with hardly a thought. That means it was a superior interface. That also means anyone telling people they need to suck it up and just accept bad interfaces that smart people were able to learn with enough wasted energy is a bad idea. Reminds me of those guys when I first started dealing with Linux who told me I was just being slow or lazy for expecting an installer that just required a little bit of input like I had with Windows. Anyone should know everything about handling partitions, configuration of low-level graphics, init systems, whatever. These days, the installers are point-and-click for average case while including options for others. So, why did the Linux people tell me that early on? They were elitist snobs peddling bad UI's and seeing no value in good ones. That simple.
- andybak 10y ago
  No-one is disputing the power of git. People are merely pointing out that it's textual user interface is clunky and inconsistent. Just because it won the DVCS wars doesn't mean the conversation needs to end and we have to accept this is as good as it gets. It won despite it's CLI not because of it.

> Git is, like many professional tools, something you simply got to learn. Nailed it.

by vbtemp 10y ago

> Git is, like many professional tools, something you simply got to learn. Nailed it.

Agreed. I'm seeing terms like "elitist" being thrown around below for "git apologists" when it's simply a matter of learning a tool. Not everyone needs all the power of the git CLI and the complications it brings - but when you do need it, it's there to fix the dumb things we all do sometimes. I think if you look deep in the guts of Clearcase for example you will see nastiness that makes git look like the ls command.

nickpsecurity 10y ago
" I'm seeing terms like "elitist" being thrown around below for "git apologists" when it's simply a matter of learning a tool." Some tools people encounter seem unintuitive and have a steep learning curve. Others that do the same thing are super easy to understand and learn. Git vs Gitless is a good example where Gitless instantly clicked with hardly a thought. That means it was a superior interface. That also means anyone telling people they need to suck it up and just accept bad interfaces that smart people were able to learn with enough wasted energy is a bad idea. Reminds me of those guys when I first started dealing with Linux who told me I was just being slow or lazy for expecting an installer that just required a little bit of input like I had with Windows. Anyone should know everything about handling partitions, configuration of low-level graphics, init systems, whatever. These days, the installers are point-and-click for average case while including options for others. So, why did the Linux people tell me that early on? They were elitist snobs peddling bad UI's and seeing no value in good ones. That simple.
andybak 10y ago
No-one is disputing the power of git. People are merely pointing out that it's textual user interface is clunky and inconsistent. Just because it won the DVCS wars doesn't mean the conversation needs to end and we have to accept this is as good as it gets. It won despite it's CLI not because of it.