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Words like "tone of their culture" are exactly the problem. Can you imagine if you weren't allowed to travel somewhere because of the tone of your culture? Do y

by zajd 10y ago

Words like "tone of their culture" are exactly the problem. Can you imagine if you weren't allowed to travel somewhere because of the tone of your culture? Do you enjoy being restricted from travelling to Saudi Arabia because you popped out of the wrong vagina? I'm not from the UK but I can tell you firmly that words like "black culture" are just racist dogwhistles here in the US

detritus 10y ago
Travel, or permanently relocate? There's a distinction - quite massive one. No one gives a hoot about tourists. And I meant with the self-denigration in my post to imply that my own 'culture' has its own tone - as indeed does every culture. It's a question of whether they have the potential to be inter-compatible.
- zajd 10y ago
  And my point is that compatibility should be measured on an individual basis, not based on where you happened to be born. Assuming that all people from one place share a culture is what got us into this mess in the first place.
  - detritus 10y ago
    It isn't already? And if it's not by individual reckoning, what construct from upon ahigh would you suggest be instituted to make these decisions en-masse, outwith local consensus? All people from one place do generally share a culture, generally speaking - sure, any atomisation of said generalisation will throw up exceptions, but that doesn't make the generality any less valid in its local context. We're monkeys - somewhat illogical meatsacks bound to our nature and emotions - not robots able to rewrite our own truths to fit some other's sense of hyper-morality. Sorry, that's not reality. - ed Cripes that was a garbled response. Sorry - long weekend..
    - zajd 10y ago
      >All people from one place do generally share a culture, generally speaking - sure, any atomisation of said generalisation will throw up exceptions, but that doesn't make the generality any less valid in its local context. How is this any different from >All people from one race do generally share a culture, generally speaking - sure, any atomisation of said generalisation will throw up exceptions, but that doesn't make the generality any less valid in its local context. Acting based on stereotypes of what someone who's born in a country may more or may not be is not only unethical, but stupid. Look, I'm not saying citizenship or where you live shouldn't be a factor at all, I'm saying they should be near the bottom. In essence, the questions should be more "what have you done, what do you want to do, how will immigrating here help advance society?" and less "which country were you born in? how much money can you contribute?" which seems to be the way things work now.

by zajd 10y ago

detritus 10y ago

Travel, or permanently relocate? There's a distinction - quite massive one. No one gives a hoot about tourists. And I meant with the self-denigration in my post to imply that my own 'culture' has its own tone - as indeed does every culture. It's a question of whether they have the potential to be inter-compatible.

zajd 10y ago
And my point is that compatibility should be measured on an individual basis, not based on where you happened to be born. Assuming that all people from one place share a culture is what got us into this mess in the first place.
- detritus 10y ago
  It isn't already? And if it's not by individual reckoning, what construct from upon ahigh would you suggest be instituted to make these decisions en-masse, outwith local consensus? All people from one place do generally share a culture, generally speaking - sure, any atomisation of said generalisation will throw up exceptions, but that doesn't make the generality any less valid in its local context. We're monkeys - somewhat illogical meatsacks bound to our nature and emotions - not robots able to rewrite our own truths to fit some other's sense of hyper-morality. Sorry, that's not reality. - ed Cripes that was a garbled response. Sorry - long weekend..
  - zajd 10y ago
    >All people from one place do generally share a culture, generally speaking - sure, any atomisation of said generalisation will throw up exceptions, but that doesn't make the generality any less valid in its local context. How is this any different from >All people from one race do generally share a culture, generally speaking - sure, any atomisation of said generalisation will throw up exceptions, but that doesn't make the generality any less valid in its local context. Acting based on stereotypes of what someone who's born in a country may more or may not be is not only unethical, but stupid. Look, I'm not saying citizenship or where you live shouldn't be a factor at all, I'm saying they should be near the bottom. In essence, the questions should be more "what have you done, what do you want to do, how will immigrating here help advance society?" and less "which country were you born in? how much money can you contribute?" which seems to be the way things work now.