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I still don't get it why they did this. So some of the obvious problems: passwords are saved so I can use the wifi anytime, I can tell the password to others, e

by batrat 10y ago

I still don't get it why they did this. So some of the obvious problems: passwords are saved so I can use the wifi anytime, I can tell the password to others, even if they keep track of users with 30 concurrent customers it doesn't matter if they ask for names. IMO this is wrong at so many levels.

Esau 10y ago
I don't understand it either. Europe has some surprisingly bad laws and directives for tech.
detaro 10y ago
That's something that has been discussed again and again in German politics, but no government clearly wanted to say "Free Internet is worthwhile enough to allow protecting it from 'illegal' activity, even if it can't offer the the log data a traditional ISP can". So now we have a bunch of rules that only apply if you something to stop it, but it doesn't really matter if that is actually effective, and how much that something hurdle is depends on what court or politician you ask. Maximum uncertainty for small operators, so it's mostly a few larger commercial operators and some enthusiasts with VPNs. And a lot of places without wifi that would have it in other countries.
- kuschku 10y ago
  And it’s only an issue with the CDU on federal level prohibiting any move towards it, often with contradictory arguments why. Evil tongues claim that they just want to protect T-Mobile’s business, being corrupt. Luckily, on state level that’s not yet an issue, the parliament of Schleswig-Holstein just approved a test project of running some Freifunk nodes on/in public buildings, and a local company has started putting up free hotspots everywhere in Kiel.
  - detaro 10y ago
    Eh, I somehow feel like the federal SPD is just so positive on the topic right now because they know the CDU will work against them anyways. I hope pressure and organization from state or city level will help somewhat. Public organisations can provide similar shields as the commercial providers do right now, and once somebody makes a state look stupid the federal level will have more of an incentive to fix it.
tobias3 10y ago
With default settings Windows 10 even shares the password automatically with contacts in Skype, Outlook or Facebook...

by batrat 10y ago

Esau 10y ago

I don't understand it either. Europe has some surprisingly bad laws and directives for tech.

detaro 10y ago

That's something that has been discussed again and again in German politics, but no government clearly wanted to say "Free Internet is worthwhile enough to allow protecting it from 'illegal' activity, even if it can't offer the the log data a traditional ISP can". So now we have a bunch of rules that only apply if you something to stop it, but it doesn't really matter if that is actually effective, and how much that something hurdle is depends on what court or politician you ask. Maximum uncertainty for small operators, so it's mostly a few larger commercial operators and some enthusiasts with VPNs. And a lot of places without wifi that would have it in other countries.

kuschku 10y ago
And it’s only an issue with the CDU on federal level prohibiting any move towards it, often with contradictory arguments why. Evil tongues claim that they just want to protect T-Mobile’s business, being corrupt. Luckily, on state level that’s not yet an issue, the parliament of Schleswig-Holstein just approved a test project of running some Freifunk nodes on/in public buildings, and a local company has started putting up free hotspots everywhere in Kiel.
- detaro 10y ago
  Eh, I somehow feel like the federal SPD is just so positive on the topic right now because they know the CDU will work against them anyways. I hope pressure and organization from state or city level will help somewhat. Public organisations can provide similar shields as the commercial providers do right now, and once somebody makes a state look stupid the federal level will have more of an incentive to fix it.

tobias3 10y ago

With default settings Windows 10 even shares the password automatically with contacts in Skype, Outlook or Facebook...