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I'd rather not be hit by either of them, period. Cars should not be running stop signs or lights, but neither should bicyclists, period. Full stop. Also, having

by lpr22 10y ago

I'd rather not be hit by either of them, period. Cars should not be running stop signs or lights, but neither should bicyclists, period. Full stop. Also, having a bike run the stop sign and fly into an intersection out of nowhere can easily cause cars to swerve, causing accidents, or even strike the bicyclist. It's not difficult to drive, ride, or walk safely. Just do it and stop whining.

noobermin 10y ago
There is a compromise, the Idaho stop[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop
orbitingpluto 10y ago
Thank you white man with your white man argument. The 'stop whining' argument is such an over-privileged tactic that adds nothing to the discussion. It's very similar to #alllivesmatter. Anyway, to try to add something more, I have an anecdote: Two weeks ago, a car ran the red light and a speeding white SUV had to swerve out of the way to avoid it. The SUV lost control and smashed into the lightpole that was directly in front of me. I held up my backpack as a shield against the woman and baby in the stroller next to me walking in the opposite direction while bits of the car flew into the air. Luckily the pole held up. I had to make a guess about what was going to hit me. Debris or the car. My brain did that emergency lizard brain thinking that happens in situations like that. I found it really interesting for my brain to puzzle out what was going on in my head. Turned out that the debris was the only 'preventable' injury possible. I couldn't have gotten out of the way. I couldn't have gotten the lady and her baby out of the way. But I could conceivably stop debris from hitting us full on by shielding. If that was a cyclist... the most I'd have to worry about is a couple months of a really sore back.
- lpr22 10y ago
  The first paragraph of this response is a dispicible belittlement of the rampant racism in the United States. Stop whining wasn't an argument, and having cyclists behave safely and follow road rules is absolutely nothing like being an apologist for racists that don't want to admit they're racists and just want the status quo. I believe that we all share this earth and we should all act safely and responsibly. Yes, cars kill far more easily than bikes, but bikes can seriously injure or kill as well. Cars swerving out of the way of bikes also kill, which could have easily been the result of your encounter, had the SUV been swerving to avoid a bike. You shouldn't be forced off the road. Pedestrians shouldn't step blindly into the road. Cars shouldn't drive erratically in populated areas. Bike can seriously injur or kill people, so just act responsibly.
  - orbitingpluto 10y ago
    The analogy is apt. #alllivesmatter belittles the concerns of black people and the disproportionate danger they face interacting with police. Likewise, cyclists are disproportionately at risk of serious harm while on the road. Not that complicated. Black people are 'whining' because they have legitimate concerns for their safety. Cyclists do as well. And the laws are written in such a way that blacks/cyclists deaths can be easily swept under the rug. Stop whining is not helpful advice. It means shut up. Wow. Late night rant, perhaps I should have run as the Republican candidate for POTUS.
    - lpr22 10y ago
      They are not the same in any kind of way. If you think that people getting murdered because of the color of their skin by agents acting under color of authority is equivalent to saying that cyclists shouldn't be shamed for acting unsafely and possibly causing accidents, injuries, or death because bikes are not cars, all I can think is that I feel as sorry for you as I do for the #alllivesmatter people. In this instance, stop whining is not advice, it's in response to people thinking that for their own narcissistic reasons, it's okay to jeapordize the safety of others. That includes the cars that park in bike lanes as well as the bicyclists who blow through stop signs.
      - orbitingpluto 10y ago
        Wow. Check the title. This was a discussion about public shaming cars in bike lanes. You've turned it around into, "everybody should just stop whining and obey the law" and publicly shaming cyclists. The people endangered in this situation do not normally have the same considerations given to the more powerful group. You call them narcissists for trying to make their lives safer. You've adopted the very same tactics as #alllivesmatter. Take a good hard look. Are cops killing black people morally equivalent to motorist road rage and lack of consideration? Of course not.

by lpr22 10y ago

noobermin 10y ago

There is a compromise, the Idaho stop[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop

orbitingpluto 10y ago

Thank you white man with your white man argument. The 'stop whining' argument is such an over-privileged tactic that adds nothing to the discussion. It's very similar to #alllivesmatter. Anyway, to try to add something more, I have an anecdote: Two weeks ago, a car ran the red light and a speeding white SUV had to swerve out of the way to avoid it. The SUV lost control and smashed into the lightpole that was directly in front of me. I held up my backpack as a shield against the woman and baby in the stroller next to me walking in the opposite direction while bits of the car flew into the air. Luckily the pole held up. I had to make a guess about what was going to hit me. Debris or the car. My brain did that emergency lizard brain thinking that happens in situations like that. I found it really interesting for my brain to puzzle out what was going on in my head. Turned out that the debris was the only 'preventable' injury possible. I couldn't have gotten out of the way. I couldn't have gotten the lady and her baby out of the way. But I could conceivably stop debris from hitting us full on by shielding. If that was a cyclist... the most I'd have to worry about is a couple months of a really sore back.

lpr22 10y ago
The first paragraph of this response is a dispicible belittlement of the rampant racism in the United States. Stop whining wasn't an argument, and having cyclists behave safely and follow road rules is absolutely nothing like being an apologist for racists that don't want to admit they're racists and just want the status quo. I believe that we all share this earth and we should all act safely and responsibly. Yes, cars kill far more easily than bikes, but bikes can seriously injure or kill as well. Cars swerving out of the way of bikes also kill, which could have easily been the result of your encounter, had the SUV been swerving to avoid a bike. You shouldn't be forced off the road. Pedestrians shouldn't step blindly into the road. Cars shouldn't drive erratically in populated areas. Bike can seriously injur or kill people, so just act responsibly.
- orbitingpluto 10y ago
  The analogy is apt. #alllivesmatter belittles the concerns of black people and the disproportionate danger they face interacting with police. Likewise, cyclists are disproportionately at risk of serious harm while on the road. Not that complicated. Black people are 'whining' because they have legitimate concerns for their safety. Cyclists do as well. And the laws are written in such a way that blacks/cyclists deaths can be easily swept under the rug. Stop whining is not helpful advice. It means shut up. Wow. Late night rant, perhaps I should have run as the Republican candidate for POTUS.
  - lpr22 10y ago
    They are not the same in any kind of way. If you think that people getting murdered because of the color of their skin by agents acting under color of authority is equivalent to saying that cyclists shouldn't be shamed for acting unsafely and possibly causing accidents, injuries, or death because bikes are not cars, all I can think is that I feel as sorry for you as I do for the #alllivesmatter people. In this instance, stop whining is not advice, it's in response to people thinking that for their own narcissistic reasons, it's okay to jeapordize the safety of others. That includes the cars that park in bike lanes as well as the bicyclists who blow through stop signs.
    - orbitingpluto 10y ago
      Wow. Check the title. This was a discussion about public shaming cars in bike lanes. You've turned it around into, "everybody should just stop whining and obey the law" and publicly shaming cyclists. The people endangered in this situation do not normally have the same considerations given to the more powerful group. You call them narcissists for trying to make their lives safer. You've adopted the very same tactics as #alllivesmatter. Take a good hard look. Are cops killing black people morally equivalent to motorist road rage and lack of consideration? Of course not.