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TLDR: 1. Sensation-seeking 2. Impulsiveness 3. Anxiety sensitivity 4. Hopelessness

by dukoid 10y ago

facetube 10y ago
100 percent! I did it! What do I win? Oh.
sarreph 10y ago
Also came here to post this. I'm not sure why an NYT article would pass editing to have such a click-baity title yet bury its core premise inside the middle of the piece. Hope it's not a sign of the way their journalism is headed.
- danieltillett 10y ago
  That train has long since left the station. Journalism as it existed in the 20th century is long dead and it is not coming back. Technology has destroyed quality reporting and it is up to technology to now fix the problem.
  - rz2k 10y ago
    What do you think of The New Yorker? If anything, people seem to complain about its long form, nuanced style here.
  - vegetablepotpie 10y ago
    Why is that? I think that the revenue stream from distribution has degraded so much that the 20th century journalism business model is not sustainable. Technology disrupted this business model. Instead of a media utopia where gate keepers and media companies were replaced with innumerable citizen journalists, each with their own cheap distribution platforms, we've seen the rise of click bait, echo chambers and fringe ideas seeping into the mainstream (birtherism and anti-vaxxers anyone?). How does technology fix journalism?
- nerdponx 10y ago
  That's where the money's been headed for half a decade. They're following.
- slavik81 10y ago
  The author of the piece probably didn't write the headline. I'd assume that's why they don't match.
andrewflnr 10y ago
Yeah, but the really interesting part of this article is the program they designed that seems to actually work.
- danieltillett 10y ago
  It is a pity the study referenced in the article says the exact opposite [1]. "In our large sample of adolescents, certain items still did not perform adequately from a psychometric perspective, test–retest correlations were low to moderate, and predictive validities with respect to alcohol use, smoking, and cannabis use were low and limited to the IMP and SS subscales in this sample." 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26463560 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26463560 Edit. I am referring to the 90% indentification study. I am checking out the intervention study now. Edit 2. OK in the intervention study the entire effect seemed to occur in the studied schools relative to the control schools. The overall rate of self-reported binge drinking fell for all students at the intervention schools, both those that experience the intervention and those that didn't. The major problem is the control schools did not seem to match the intervention schools in demographics so it looks like it is very hard to tell if the intervention worked.
  - Animats 10y ago
    Which you can get as a PDF for the low, low fee of $38.[1] Even though it was funded by 9 government agencies. "Only the SS (sensation seeking) and the IMP (impulsiveness) subscales of the SURPS predicted substance use outcomes at 16 years of age." Duh. [1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1111/acer.12886/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1111/acer.12886/f...
    - danieltillett 10y ago
      Or go and visit our friendly Eastern European friends at sci-hub :) Even these two factors (SS & IMP) are not very predictive, but I suspect this is because they are so poorly measured by this test.
danieltillett 10y ago
I am surprised that g played no role or was it just not measured. Edit. I have just read the original study and what a methodological mess. Of course g was not measured.
- slavik81 10y ago
  What's g?
  - unimpressive 10y ago
    General intelligence, the underlying factor that an IQ test is supposed to be measuring.
    - danieltillett 10y ago
      Tests of general intelligence do measure g quite accurately - the debate is what g really is and what is its link with "intelligence".
- swift 10y ago
  what's the role you expect g to have played? based on my own experience, how intelligent you are seems to have little or no correlation to whether you use or abuse drugs.
  - danieltillett 10y ago
    In your own experience how are you measuring the g of the people you know? It is really dangerous to rely on the people you know to predict causes since the people you know are not a good cross section of the population. It is like people who say how did politician x get elected when everyone I know voted for his opponent. For what it is worth my personal experience is that the use of drugs or alcohol are not closely correlated with my estimate of a persons g, but major abuse problems are quite negatively correlated.

TLDR: 1. Sensation-seeking 2. Impulsiveness 3. Anxiety sensitivity 4. Hopelessness

by dukoid 10y ago

TLDR: 1. Sensation-seeking 2. Impulsiveness 3. Anxiety sensitivity 4. Hopelessness

facetube 10y ago

100 percent! I did it! What do I win? Oh.

sarreph 10y ago

Also came here to post this. I'm not sure why an NYT article would pass editing to have such a click-baity title yet bury its core premise inside the middle of the piece. Hope it's not a sign of the way their journalism is headed.

danieltillett 10y ago
That train has long since left the station. Journalism as it existed in the 20th century is long dead and it is not coming back. Technology has destroyed quality reporting and it is up to technology to now fix the problem.
- rz2k 10y ago
  What do you think of The New Yorker? If anything, people seem to complain about its long form, nuanced style here.
- vegetablepotpie 10y ago
  Why is that? I think that the revenue stream from distribution has degraded so much that the 20th century journalism business model is not sustainable. Technology disrupted this business model. Instead of a media utopia where gate keepers and media companies were replaced with innumerable citizen journalists, each with their own cheap distribution platforms, we've seen the rise of click bait, echo chambers and fringe ideas seeping into the mainstream (birtherism and anti-vaxxers anyone?). How does technology fix journalism?
nerdponx 10y ago
That's where the money's been headed for half a decade. They're following.
slavik81 10y ago
The author of the piece probably didn't write the headline. I'd assume that's why they don't match.

andrewflnr 10y ago

Yeah, but the really interesting part of this article is the program they designed that seems to actually work.

danieltillett 10y ago
It is a pity the study referenced in the article says the exact opposite [1]. "In our large sample of adolescents, certain items still did not perform adequately from a psychometric perspective, test–retest correlations were low to moderate, and predictive validities with respect to alcohol use, smoking, and cannabis use were low and limited to the IMP and SS subscales in this sample." 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26463560 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26463560 Edit. I am referring to the 90% indentification study. I am checking out the intervention study now. Edit 2. OK in the intervention study the entire effect seemed to occur in the studied schools relative to the control schools. The overall rate of self-reported binge drinking fell for all students at the intervention schools, both those that experience the intervention and those that didn't. The major problem is the control schools did not seem to match the intervention schools in demographics so it looks like it is very hard to tell if the intervention worked.
- Animats 10y ago
  Which you can get as a PDF for the low, low fee of $38.[1] Even though it was funded by 9 government agencies. "Only the SS (sensation seeking) and the IMP (impulsiveness) subscales of the SURPS predicted substance use outcomes at 16 years of age." Duh. [1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1111/acer.12886/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1111/acer.12886/f...
  - danieltillett 10y ago
    Or go and visit our friendly Eastern European friends at sci-hub :) Even these two factors (SS & IMP) are not very predictive, but I suspect this is because they are so poorly measured by this test.

danieltillett 10y ago

I am surprised that g played no role or was it just not measured. Edit. I have just read the original study and what a methodological mess. Of course g was not measured.

slavik81 10y ago
What's g?
- unimpressive 10y ago
  General intelligence, the underlying factor that an IQ test is supposed to be measuring.
  - danieltillett 10y ago
    Tests of general intelligence do measure g quite accurately - the debate is what g really is and what is its link with "intelligence".
swift 10y ago
what's the role you expect g to have played? based on my own experience, how intelligent you are seems to have little or no correlation to whether you use or abuse drugs.
- danieltillett 10y ago
  In your own experience how are you measuring the g of the people you know? It is really dangerous to rely on the people you know to predict causes since the people you know are not a good cross section of the population. It is like people who say how did politician x get elected when everyone I know voted for his opponent. For what it is worth my personal experience is that the use of drugs or alcohol are not closely correlated with my estimate of a persons g, but major abuse problems are quite negatively correlated.