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>If you were any other company, you would be liable for a lawsuit for hacking. Please stop using your position as a company to hack our systems. This post is f

by xxpor 10y ago

>If you were any other company, you would be liable for a lawsuit for hacking. Please stop using your position as a company to hack our systems. This post is full of ridiculous hyperbole, and it really detracts from the actual message.

petters 10y ago
Agreed. The relevant part of the post seems to be the UX issues.
paulcole 10y ago
"Your honor, the defendant installed a hacky UI overlay element on my system." stunned silence in the courtroom
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sethvargo 10y ago
Thanks for the feedback. I've removed the rants about Dropbox the company to focus on the UX and lack of disabling issues.
- davidu 10y ago
  Don't you think it's possible that it is just a bug that "enable finder integration" being unchecked doesn't disable this by greying out "finder toolbar" and disabling it?
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
  You're using a beta version of Dropbox, right? I haven't seen this behaviour on the regular non-beta version I'm running. You'd expect bugs in beta.
  - SilasX 10y ago
    Bugs, yes. Blatant disregard of user-specified OS-level permissions and inability to access your own files when there are more than fifteen in a folder, no.
    - mrgordon 10y ago
      Keep in mind Dropbox literally got its start with adding the sync icons in Finder when Apple said it could not be done. The entire company was essentially based on their ability to make a better user experience through a tighter integration with your files then was technically allowed at the time. I'm not saying you have to find that acceptable but it is what it is and its the reason why millions of people have heard of Dropbox and proclaim its joys. Anyway both things you mention are bugs even if you find them frustrating. The original poster was having issue with the option to turn off the Finder integration but the option was put there so you can control it. The only reason you can't access files with more than fifteen in a folder is clearly due to a bug in the beta. If you want to say that a company the size of Dropbox should never have bugs of that scale even in their beta, then I would point at several of Apple's broken iOS updates (bricking phones, etc.) or Samsung's recent Galaxy Note 7 fiasco as evidence that much larger companies ship software and hardware that isn't in beta and has undergone much more due diligence with catastrophic bugs. Anyway I don't use Dropbox really but I felt compelled to comment because I couldn't understand how you could say you expect bugs but don't expect the reported bugs in a beta.
      - SilasX 10y ago
        You're right: in a sense, "everything you don't like is a bug". But it still seems important to distinguish "they broke the entire permission model, where I can no longer trust the sandbox boundaries" and "I'm locked out of crucial parts of my system" from "gosh, this is slower/more confusing than I might like". I'm not sure the beta testers understood they were giving up that level of control by installing Dropbox's new software. The post's author certainly didn't. True, Dropbox got away with grabbing permissions that apps shouldn't have, and then getting away with it. But it's still IMHO a bit more than a bug to take this attitude of "let's take whatever we can! It's Easier To Ask For Forgiveness..."

by xxpor 10y ago

petters 10y ago

Agreed. The relevant part of the post seems to be the UX issues.

paulcole 10y ago

"Your honor, the defendant installed a hacky UI overlay element on my system." stunned silence in the courtroom

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sethvargo 10y ago

Thanks for the feedback. I've removed the rants about Dropbox the company to focus on the UX and lack of disabling issues.

davidu 10y ago
Don't you think it's possible that it is just a bug that "enable finder integration" being unchecked doesn't disable this by greying out "finder toolbar" and disabling it?
TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
You're using a beta version of Dropbox, right? I haven't seen this behaviour on the regular non-beta version I'm running. You'd expect bugs in beta.
- SilasX 10y ago
  Bugs, yes. Blatant disregard of user-specified OS-level permissions and inability to access your own files when there are more than fifteen in a folder, no.
  - mrgordon 10y ago
    Keep in mind Dropbox literally got its start with adding the sync icons in Finder when Apple said it could not be done. The entire company was essentially based on their ability to make a better user experience through a tighter integration with your files then was technically allowed at the time. I'm not saying you have to find that acceptable but it is what it is and its the reason why millions of people have heard of Dropbox and proclaim its joys. Anyway both things you mention are bugs even if you find them frustrating. The original poster was having issue with the option to turn off the Finder integration but the option was put there so you can control it. The only reason you can't access files with more than fifteen in a folder is clearly due to a bug in the beta. If you want to say that a company the size of Dropbox should never have bugs of that scale even in their beta, then I would point at several of Apple's broken iOS updates (bricking phones, etc.) or Samsung's recent Galaxy Note 7 fiasco as evidence that much larger companies ship software and hardware that isn't in beta and has undergone much more due diligence with catastrophic bugs. Anyway I don't use Dropbox really but I felt compelled to comment because I couldn't understand how you could say you expect bugs but don't expect the reported bugs in a beta.
    - SilasX 10y ago
      You're right: in a sense, "everything you don't like is a bug". But it still seems important to distinguish "they broke the entire permission model, where I can no longer trust the sandbox boundaries" and "I'm locked out of crucial parts of my system" from "gosh, this is slower/more confusing than I might like". I'm not sure the beta testers understood they were giving up that level of control by installing Dropbox's new software. The post's author certainly didn't. True, Dropbox got away with grabbing permissions that apps shouldn't have, and then getting away with it. But it's still IMHO a bit more than a bug to take this attitude of "let's take whatever we can! It's Easier To Ask For Forgiveness..."