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keto is the best way to lose weight, period. You lose weight while not even trying ... it really is the miracle diet, for most people anyway. Gives great mental

keto is the best way to lose weight, period. You lose weight while not even trying ... it really is the miracle diet, for most people anyway. Gives great mental energy as well. (yeah, sounds like bullshit, but turns out to be true for lots of people)

yladiz 10y ago
Anecdotally true or verifiably true?
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  Both. For the former you can start with success stories on the keto subreddit. For the latter there is decades of research on the subject. You can start with this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw
  - yladiz 10y ago
    Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI.
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  > Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI well the professor in the talk has published dozens of papers so it's a good way to start. I'm not going to provide you with a literature review sorry :)
fixxer 10y ago
Yeah, I don't disagree, but that isn't my point.
ssijak 10y ago
I have much experience with keto. For loosing fat it can be a tool in the arsenal but it is not everytime goto tool that it better than anything in every situation that some people try to make it is. As for the mental clariness, my experience is that I constantly have some kind of mental fatigue on keto, sometimes so much (after training) that I am funny to speak with (bugging out to much). That persists even after 1-2months on ketosis, cyclic or not, does not matter.
- fixxer 10y ago
  Hard to be a great athlete without protein AND carbs.
  - daenney 10y ago
    You don't need to be a great athlete in order to be fit, which is what this is about.
    - fixxer 10y ago
      Let me rephrase: hard to have optimal (or even suboptimal) athletic performance without carbs.
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  yes I've heard about other people in your case. I probably shouldn't have overstated that point. Do you eat enough fat? It's easy not to eat enough I find.
  - ssijak 10y ago
    On my first attempt of ketosis I underate fat. But that was many years ago. Now I eat about 1:1 ratio of protein and fats in grams. About 150gr each. And 10-20gr max carbs all from veggies.
emcq 10y ago
Are there any peer reviewed (or not) evidence that the keto diet provides additional weight losses beyond that which can be explained by calorie deficiencies?
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  Anecdotically you'll find lots of testimonies (including mine) arguing that it's much easier to control hunger on keto. I don't have food craving since I started and I get to eat as much as I want. So it's a lot easier to not overeat. Scientifically it's well known that eating carbs (especially fast acting carbs like sugar) triggers storage of fat.
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comicjk 10y ago
I agree that, for a given caloric deficit, a ketogenic diet produces less perceived hunger, so you "lose weight while not even trying". However, keto also keeps your glycogen stores low, which reduces cardiovascular performance while the diet persists. This makes keeping muscle harder, especially if you have a lifestyle with requisite cardio (e.g. bicycle commuting). I don't think high-intensity cardio + keto is a good idea because, in the absence of glycogen, the body can tap muscle protein as a peak-power energy source.

yladiz 10y ago

Anecdotally true or verifiably true?

yoplait_ 10y ago
Both. For the former you can start with success stories on the keto subreddit. For the latter there is decades of research on the subject. You can start with this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw
- yladiz 10y ago
  Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI.
yoplait_ 10y ago
> Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI well the professor in the talk has published dozens of papers so it's a good way to start. I'm not going to provide you with a literature review sorry :)

fixxer 10y ago

Yeah, I don't disagree, but that isn't my point.

ssijak 10y ago

I have much experience with keto. For loosing fat it can be a tool in the arsenal but it is not everytime goto tool that it better than anything in every situation that some people try to make it is. As for the mental clariness, my experience is that I constantly have some kind of mental fatigue on keto, sometimes so much (after training) that I am funny to speak with (bugging out to much). That persists even after 1-2months on ketosis, cyclic or not, does not matter.

fixxer 10y ago
Hard to be a great athlete without protein AND carbs.
- daenney 10y ago
  You don't need to be a great athlete in order to be fit, which is what this is about.
  - fixxer 10y ago
    Let me rephrase: hard to have optimal (or even suboptimal) athletic performance without carbs.
yoplait_ 10y ago
yes I've heard about other people in your case. I probably shouldn't have overstated that point. Do you eat enough fat? It's easy not to eat enough I find.
- ssijak 10y ago
  On my first attempt of ketosis I underate fat. But that was many years ago. Now I eat about 1:1 ratio of protein and fats in grams. About 150gr each. And 10-20gr max carbs all from veggies.

emcq 10y ago

Are there any peer reviewed (or not) evidence that the keto diet provides additional weight losses beyond that which can be explained by calorie deficiencies?

yoplait_ 10y ago
Anecdotically you'll find lots of testimonies (including mine) arguing that it's much easier to control hunger on keto. I don't have food craving since I started and I get to eat as much as I want. So it's a lot easier to not overeat. Scientifically it's well known that eating carbs (especially fast acting carbs like sugar) triggers storage of fat.
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comicjk 10y ago

I agree that, for a given caloric deficit, a ketogenic diet produces less perceived hunger, so you "lose weight while not even trying". However, keto also keeps your glycogen stores low, which reduces cardiovascular performance while the diet persists. This makes keeping muscle harder, especially if you have a lifestyle with requisite cardio (e.g. bicycle commuting). I don't think high-intensity cardio + keto is a good idea because, in the absence of glycogen, the body can tap muscle protein as a peak-power energy source.