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So far, after 20 years of competitive rowing and an office job, I've found the best advice for me is simply don't get injured, remain active (get out!), and coo

by fixxer 10y ago

So far, after 20 years of competitive rowing and an office job, I've found the best advice for me is simply don't get injured, remain active (get out!), and cook more. All these fads might work (IF, keto, crossfit), but I think they mostly answer other questions than fitness or health. People want to feel like they are getting results fast... That is rarely sustainable in my experience and observation.

yoplait_ 10y ago
keto is the best way to lose weight, period. You lose weight while not even trying ... it really is the miracle diet, for most people anyway. Gives great mental energy as well. (yeah, sounds like bullshit, but turns out to be true for lots of people)
- yladiz 10y ago
  Anecdotally true or verifiably true?
  - yoplait_ 10y ago
    Both. For the former you can start with success stories on the keto subreddit. For the latter there is decades of research on the subject. You can start with this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw
    - yladiz 10y ago
      Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI.
  - yoplait_ 10y ago
    > Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI well the professor in the talk has published dozens of papers so it's a good way to start. I'm not going to provide you with a literature review sorry :)
- fixxer 10y ago
  Yeah, I don't disagree, but that isn't my point.
- ssijak 10y ago
  I have much experience with keto. For loosing fat it can be a tool in the arsenal but it is not everytime goto tool that it better than anything in every situation that some people try to make it is. As for the mental clariness, my experience is that I constantly have some kind of mental fatigue on keto, sometimes so much (after training) that I am funny to speak with (bugging out to much). That persists even after 1-2months on ketosis, cyclic or not, does not matter.
  - fixxer 10y ago
    Hard to be a great athlete without protein AND carbs.
    - daenney 10y ago
      You don't need to be a great athlete in order to be fit, which is what this is about.
      - fixxer 10y ago
        Let me rephrase: hard to have optimal (or even suboptimal) athletic performance without carbs.
  - yoplait_ 10y ago
    yes I've heard about other people in your case. I probably shouldn't have overstated that point. Do you eat enough fat? It's easy not to eat enough I find.
    - ssijak 10y ago
      On my first attempt of ketosis I underate fat. But that was many years ago. Now I eat about 1:1 ratio of protein and fats in grams. About 150gr each. And 10-20gr max carbs all from veggies.
- emcq 10y ago
  Are there any peer reviewed (or not) evidence that the keto diet provides additional weight losses beyond that which can be explained by calorie deficiencies?
  - yoplait_ 10y ago
    Anecdotically you'll find lots of testimonies (including mine) arguing that it's much easier to control hunger on keto. I don't have food craving since I started and I get to eat as much as I want. So it's a lot easier to not overeat. Scientifically it's well known that eating carbs (especially fast acting carbs like sugar) triggers storage of fat.
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- comicjk 10y ago
  I agree that, for a given caloric deficit, a ketogenic diet produces less perceived hunger, so you "lose weight while not even trying". However, keto also keeps your glycogen stores low, which reduces cardiovascular performance while the diet persists. This makes keeping muscle harder, especially if you have a lifestyle with requisite cardio (e.g. bicycle commuting). I don't think high-intensity cardio + keto is a good idea because, in the absence of glycogen, the body can tap muscle protein as a peak-power energy source.
rorykoehler 10y ago
Not getting injured is the one I have always struggled with. As you have correctly pointed out it is probably the most important thing you can do to keep fit. After 17 years of stop start I had gone from potentially world class athlete to unable to even do a sit up without agonizing pain. On the road to recovery again now (2.5 years in), hopefully for the last time. This time I have invested heavily into medical help to solve the problem from the core and not just from the pain perspective. It seems to be paying off so far and I would recommend the course of action I have taken to anyone else suffering from back problems (severe scoliosis in my case due to office cave man exacerbating underlying imbalances from a serious accident). My regime is chiro, sports massage, a physical therapist who doesn't hold back when doing active release and core strengthening exercises once capable. Also know when is enough. It took years to start listening to my body and to realize I couldn't train like I used to.

by fixxer 10y ago

yoplait_ 10y ago

keto is the best way to lose weight, period. You lose weight while not even trying ... it really is the miracle diet, for most people anyway. Gives great mental energy as well. (yeah, sounds like bullshit, but turns out to be true for lots of people)

yladiz 10y ago
Anecdotally true or verifiably true?
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  Both. For the former you can start with success stories on the keto subreddit. For the latter there is decades of research on the subject. You can start with this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_qBC1EEvw
  - yladiz 10y ago
    Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI.
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  > Not necessarily talks by professors, but scientific papers published in respectable journals or on NCBI well the professor in the talk has published dozens of papers so it's a good way to start. I'm not going to provide you with a literature review sorry :)
fixxer 10y ago
Yeah, I don't disagree, but that isn't my point.
ssijak 10y ago
I have much experience with keto. For loosing fat it can be a tool in the arsenal but it is not everytime goto tool that it better than anything in every situation that some people try to make it is. As for the mental clariness, my experience is that I constantly have some kind of mental fatigue on keto, sometimes so much (after training) that I am funny to speak with (bugging out to much). That persists even after 1-2months on ketosis, cyclic or not, does not matter.
- fixxer 10y ago
  Hard to be a great athlete without protein AND carbs.
  - daenney 10y ago
    You don't need to be a great athlete in order to be fit, which is what this is about.
    - fixxer 10y ago
      Let me rephrase: hard to have optimal (or even suboptimal) athletic performance without carbs.
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  yes I've heard about other people in your case. I probably shouldn't have overstated that point. Do you eat enough fat? It's easy not to eat enough I find.
  - ssijak 10y ago
    On my first attempt of ketosis I underate fat. But that was many years ago. Now I eat about 1:1 ratio of protein and fats in grams. About 150gr each. And 10-20gr max carbs all from veggies.
emcq 10y ago
Are there any peer reviewed (or not) evidence that the keto diet provides additional weight losses beyond that which can be explained by calorie deficiencies?
- yoplait_ 10y ago
  Anecdotically you'll find lots of testimonies (including mine) arguing that it's much easier to control hunger on keto. I don't have food craving since I started and I get to eat as much as I want. So it's a lot easier to not overeat. Scientifically it's well known that eating carbs (especially fast acting carbs like sugar) triggers storage of fat.
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comicjk 10y ago
I agree that, for a given caloric deficit, a ketogenic diet produces less perceived hunger, so you "lose weight while not even trying". However, keto also keeps your glycogen stores low, which reduces cardiovascular performance while the diet persists. This makes keeping muscle harder, especially if you have a lifestyle with requisite cardio (e.g. bicycle commuting). I don't think high-intensity cardio + keto is a good idea because, in the absence of glycogen, the body can tap muscle protein as a peak-power energy source.

rorykoehler 10y ago

Not getting injured is the one I have always struggled with. As you have correctly pointed out it is probably the most important thing you can do to keep fit. After 17 years of stop start I had gone from potentially world class athlete to unable to even do a sit up without agonizing pain. On the road to recovery again now (2.5 years in), hopefully for the last time. This time I have invested heavily into medical help to solve the problem from the core and not just from the pain perspective. It seems to be paying off so far and I would recommend the course of action I have taken to anyone else suffering from back problems (severe scoliosis in my case due to office cave man exacerbating underlying imbalances from a serious accident). My regime is chiro, sports massage, a physical therapist who doesn't hold back when doing active release and core strengthening exercises once capable. Also know when is enough. It took years to start listening to my body and to realize I couldn't train like I used to.