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You're saying that, as if things would be alright, as long as the number of people who have no problem outweigh the number of people who have a problem.

by Sylos 10y ago

chirau 10y ago
With any software, some people are bound to have problems. I have had issues in the past with OS X installations. But because the number of people who do not have issues outweighs that of those who do, it's diluted easily in the general case. For Microsoft it seems different. I am pretty sure the number of those with a problem is minuscule compared to those who don't, but because it is Microsoft, the voices of that minority is overly magnified every single time by both the media and those who simply just have a bone to chew with Microsoft. Deservedly or not, you have to admit, their flaws are magnified way more than those of other companies.
- Retric 10y ago
  If one user in 1,000 has a significant issue with an outomatic update that's a major problem. MS, gets less slack because it's a monopoly situation. But, they also produce worse software because it's a monopoly. Windows phone is a great example, after over a decade they put out something that was not terrible, and it's failing because not terrible only works in monopoly situations.
  - Eridrus 10y ago
    Have you used a Windows phone? I had one for a few years and was much happier with it than my subsequent Nexus phones, I just couldn't live in the app ghetto forever.
    - Retric 10y ago
      -Have you used a Windows phone? Yes, several versions from around 2003 to 2016.
      - Eridrus 10y ago
        What do you dislike? I had a Samsung one from 2011-2013 and was much happier with the design battery life and responsiveness of the device. The one complaint I remember having was that apps outside of the main screen were pretty terrible to navigate. And that so many apps were terrible.
  - blakeyrat 10y ago
    Windows Phones are amazingly good. The only problem they have is related to marketing and mindshare, nothing to do with their design or reliability or quality.
    - Retric 10y ago
      You are very forgiving. As I said, they improved greatly from the Windows Mobile days, but they also had a lot of issues. I am a .Net developer and I have few apps on my phone, so it really is the base phone I am talking about.
      - blakeyrat 10y ago
        The only "issue" I've had that made me unhappy as a customer and that was actually Mictosoft's fault is the refusal to back-port Windows 10 to the Nokia 1020. Other than that, there's nothing for me to forgive. I'm genuinely happy with the phone.
        Retric 10y ago
        The Nokia 1020 was not bad, the problem is it was competing with the iPhone 5 and a great many good Android phones. Which again is the problem, not bad is not enough to compete in most markets.
        blakeyrat 10y ago
        No it was not bad. It was a great phone. I still use mine. And I enjoy it. I don't agree with you that it was merely "not bad". Is it really so impossible for you to understand that I might feel differently about the product than you do?
        Retric 10y ago
        Personal experience and market failure heavily suggest it was not a great phone. At one point we had a small stack of them in the office nobody wanted. But, I can accept we have different standards.
- cryptarch 10y ago
  I don't believe it's unreasonable to expect your computer to boot reliably and in a known amount of time. How long do you think it would take for people to abandon a Linux distribution if it started auto-updating and locking people out randomly in the process? Of course Linux systems don't tend to have this problem because they can update while running. Because this is Windows, users are left helpless while they lose time watching progress bars. The only reason this is accepted at all is through vendor lock in via the various MS ecosystems (Office, VS etc.), and because savy MS-centered developers can go through some pains to disable it on their own systems, after paying the freedom tax (the Enterprise license).

You're saying that, as if things would be alright, as long as the number of people who have no problem outweigh the number of people who have a problem.

by Sylos 10y ago

You're saying that, as if things would be alright, as long as the number of people who have no problem outweigh the number of people who have a problem.

chirau 10y ago

With any software, some people are bound to have problems. I have had issues in the past with OS X installations. But because the number of people who do not have issues outweighs that of those who do, it's diluted easily in the general case. For Microsoft it seems different. I am pretty sure the number of those with a problem is minuscule compared to those who don't, but because it is Microsoft, the voices of that minority is overly magnified every single time by both the media and those who simply just have a bone to chew with Microsoft. Deservedly or not, you have to admit, their flaws are magnified way more than those of other companies.

Retric 10y ago
If one user in 1,000 has a significant issue with an outomatic update that's a major problem. MS, gets less slack because it's a monopoly situation. But, they also produce worse software because it's a monopoly. Windows phone is a great example, after over a decade they put out something that was not terrible, and it's failing because not terrible only works in monopoly situations.
- Eridrus 10y ago
  Have you used a Windows phone? I had one for a few years and was much happier with it than my subsequent Nexus phones, I just couldn't live in the app ghetto forever.
  - Retric 10y ago
    -Have you used a Windows phone? Yes, several versions from around 2003 to 2016.
    - Eridrus 10y ago
      What do you dislike? I had a Samsung one from 2011-2013 and was much happier with the design battery life and responsiveness of the device. The one complaint I remember having was that apps outside of the main screen were pretty terrible to navigate. And that so many apps were terrible.
- blakeyrat 10y ago
  Windows Phones are amazingly good. The only problem they have is related to marketing and mindshare, nothing to do with their design or reliability or quality.
  - Retric 10y ago
    You are very forgiving. As I said, they improved greatly from the Windows Mobile days, but they also had a lot of issues. I am a .Net developer and I have few apps on my phone, so it really is the base phone I am talking about.
    - blakeyrat 10y ago
      The only "issue" I've had that made me unhappy as a customer and that was actually Mictosoft's fault is the refusal to back-port Windows 10 to the Nokia 1020. Other than that, there's nothing for me to forgive. I'm genuinely happy with the phone.
      - Retric 10y ago
        The Nokia 1020 was not bad, the problem is it was competing with the iPhone 5 and a great many good Android phones. Which again is the problem, not bad is not enough to compete in most markets.
        blakeyrat 10y ago
        No it was not bad. It was a great phone. I still use mine. And I enjoy it. I don't agree with you that it was merely "not bad". Is it really so impossible for you to understand that I might feel differently about the product than you do?
        Retric 10y ago
        Personal experience and market failure heavily suggest it was not a great phone. At one point we had a small stack of them in the office nobody wanted. But, I can accept we have different standards.
cryptarch 10y ago
I don't believe it's unreasonable to expect your computer to boot reliably and in a known amount of time. How long do you think it would take for people to abandon a Linux distribution if it started auto-updating and locking people out randomly in the process? Of course Linux systems don't tend to have this problem because they can update while running. Because this is Windows, users are left helpless while they lose time watching progress bars. The only reason this is accepted at all is through vendor lock in via the various MS ecosystems (Office, VS etc.), and because savy MS-centered developers can go through some pains to disable it on their own systems, after paying the freedom tax (the Enterprise license).