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That delivery.. It needs work. It comes across as "promote my blog or you don't really support change" where the blog also links to donations and your store. Yo

by smokeyj 10y ago

That delivery.. It needs work. It comes across as "promote my blog or you don't really support change" where the blog also links to donations and your store. Your arguments would go much further if you just bulleted them. Here's my takeaways: - Women need to create accounts and participate in voting - Post more articles by women - Have candid and honest conversation. Don't condescend I almost think not being condescending and promoting an article because the author is female is contradictory. An article should stand on its own merit. This is really a tech/startup forum. It'd be great if gender didn't matter here, right?

Mz 10y ago
I am aware that was not the best approach. The problem is that there seems to be no approach that is acceptable. I have tried many of the things that men get told to do and which clearly get results for at least some of them. I have tried many of the things other people have specifically suggested to me. None of it seems to accomplish much of anything. Furthermore, when men try to make money here, that's a-okay. But it's a problem if I try to monetize my work -- not just here, anywhere. Everyone seems to object to a woman wanting money for her work. Everyone seems to think women should do things out of the goodness of their hearts. Then I also get told I am crazy for suggesting that there is any connection at all between my gender and my persistent poverty. It's really rather maddening. You aren't supposed to condescend to anyone here. Asking that women not be condescended to is not asking for special treatment. It also doesn't mean you cannot critique their work. Thank you for replying.
- kyboren 10y ago
  I don't discount that being female may indeed make it more difficult to be taken seriously, but as another commenter pointed out, the vast majority of people have no idea whose comment they're reading/replying to (insert joke here about nobody knowing you're a dog on the Internet). In my experience most male forum members have exactly the same experience. It is simply very difficult to be taken seriously, to have people invest the time to read and honestly consider your ideas, and just to get visibility at all, regardless of gender! I appreciate you're actually taking the initiative to propose concrete actions to make our community more inclusive. However, your writing reeks of egotism. This is not a gendered thing. I and many others simply can't take seriously anyone who writes, "If you actually want real change, you could start by paying more attention to the things I suggest, acting on them and promoting my writing. But I imagine that won't happen at all."

by smokeyj 10y ago

Mz 10y ago

I am aware that was not the best approach. The problem is that there seems to be no approach that is acceptable. I have tried many of the things that men get told to do and which clearly get results for at least some of them. I have tried many of the things other people have specifically suggested to me. None of it seems to accomplish much of anything. Furthermore, when men try to make money here, that's a-okay. But it's a problem if I try to monetize my work -- not just here, anywhere. Everyone seems to object to a woman wanting money for her work. Everyone seems to think women should do things out of the goodness of their hearts. Then I also get told I am crazy for suggesting that there is any connection at all between my gender and my persistent poverty. It's really rather maddening. You aren't supposed to condescend to anyone here. Asking that women not be condescended to is not asking for special treatment. It also doesn't mean you cannot critique their work. Thank you for replying.

kyboren 10y ago
I don't discount that being female may indeed make it more difficult to be taken seriously, but as another commenter pointed out, the vast majority of people have no idea whose comment they're reading/replying to (insert joke here about nobody knowing you're a dog on the Internet). In my experience most male forum members have exactly the same experience. It is simply very difficult to be taken seriously, to have people invest the time to read and honestly consider your ideas, and just to get visibility at all, regardless of gender! I appreciate you're actually taking the initiative to propose concrete actions to make our community more inclusive. However, your writing reeks of egotism. This is not a gendered thing. I and many others simply can't take seriously anyone who writes, "If you actually want real change, you could start by paying more attention to the things I suggest, acting on them and promoting my writing. But I imagine that won't happen at all."