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A common complaint (At least from my mouth as well) is that I would _love to_ but even achieving the chance to prove yourself is as much luck as it is personal

A common complaint (At least from my mouth as well) is that I would _love to_ but even achieving the chance to prove yourself is as much luck as it is personal direction. You might not believe the number of times I've asked to be given greater purview, more leadership opportunities, even asking for no "promotion" and offering to put my money where my mouth is re: being punished if I fail, but being told "do your time" or "you're not a high enough rank" to even try. (The insult to the injury is that I've been in industry longer than some of those with "sufficient" rank who have been 1 company tenants.) I would not look as askew at executive comp if I didn't have a nagging doubt that large portions of it are smoke and mirrors, obscured by extremely high and socio/political barriers to entry by which if you're the sort to pass, you're the sort to not "rock the boat"/"call the bluff" so to say.

drakonandor 10y ago
If you're such an amazing leader then why not start your own company?
- jack9 10y ago
  For your own benefit, please understand that suggestion sounds idiotic in context.
  - drakonandor 10y ago
    You don't say? Well perhaps then maybe not every employee is capable of doing the same quality work of their leadership.
- existencebox 10y ago
  I intend to, and do as much to that end as my current situation allows. The barriers currently are largely wanting to be sure I have enough saved up that my family won't suffer if I end up failing. I market side projects during my personal time, and am constantly looking for opportunities on my own outside of a formal work career progression. Do not take my earlier comment to mean I simply complain and languish; merely why there might be a natural frustration to some of the judgments/environment/deifying surrounding leadership positions (notably for my argument, bigCo leadership) (To add another point I was nervous to say since it sounds arrogant; but I've ostensibly managed at a comparable scale to what some of the positions I'm aiming for would require, but in situations that don't hold the same level of credential-ism/tenure focus. This just adds to the open question in my mind of why those teams were able to find success with less rigid progression while others offer so much resistance. I mention this not to humble-brag but again, to point out mental dissonance.)
blahi 10y ago
You might be facing very byzantine leaderships. But you might also be severely overestimating your skills. Not only your technical ones but your political ones. A key requirement for a leadership position is being convincing. Social intelligence is of paramount importance. Leadership is not about technical acumen. It's about managing people. Getting them to trust you. You can't get people above to trust you and you think you will be able to make people bellow do?

drakonandor 10y ago

If you're such an amazing leader then why not start your own company?

jack9 10y ago
For your own benefit, please understand that suggestion sounds idiotic in context.
- drakonandor 10y ago
  You don't say? Well perhaps then maybe not every employee is capable of doing the same quality work of their leadership.
existencebox 10y ago
I intend to, and do as much to that end as my current situation allows. The barriers currently are largely wanting to be sure I have enough saved up that my family won't suffer if I end up failing. I market side projects during my personal time, and am constantly looking for opportunities on my own outside of a formal work career progression. Do not take my earlier comment to mean I simply complain and languish; merely why there might be a natural frustration to some of the judgments/environment/deifying surrounding leadership positions (notably for my argument, bigCo leadership) (To add another point I was nervous to say since it sounds arrogant; but I've ostensibly managed at a comparable scale to what some of the positions I'm aiming for would require, but in situations that don't hold the same level of credential-ism/tenure focus. This just adds to the open question in my mind of why those teams were able to find success with less rigid progression while others offer so much resistance. I mention this not to humble-brag but again, to point out mental dissonance.)

blahi 10y ago

You might be facing very byzantine leaderships. But you might also be severely overestimating your skills. Not only your technical ones but your political ones. A key requirement for a leadership position is being convincing. Social intelligence is of paramount importance. Leadership is not about technical acumen. It's about managing people. Getting them to trust you. You can't get people above to trust you and you think you will be able to make people bellow do?