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Whatever. What's the worst that could happen? My dishwasher opening and spraying pressurized water at me? In all seriousness, it could be a good niche market "

by dqv 10y ago

Whatever. What's the worst that could happen? My dishwasher opening and spraying pressurized water at me? In all seriousness, it could be a good niche market "not internet capable".

dublinben 10y ago
With an internet connected thermostat, someone could turn off your heat while you are away during the winter, causing your pipes to burst and flooding your home. Alternatively, in the summertime they could crank up your heat and potentially kill any pets you have at home.
bbayles 10y ago
Water damage could run to hundreds of thousands of dollars in a few hours.
askmike 10y ago
To give in, what about blowing up? If some dishwashers do this without tampering, imagine what a dedicated attacker could do. http://www.recode.net/2016/9/29/13099092/samsung-exploding-robot-roommate-washing-machine http://www.recode.net/2016/9/29/13099092/samsung-exploding-r...
tarancato 10y ago
Your dishwasher potentially flooding your house doesn't sound bad enough to you? What if you have wood floors? What if water shorted electrical devices? All of this could cost you thousands in repairs.
- dqv 10y ago
  My main concern is these devices causing bodily harm. The dishwasher spraying hot water at me is pretty scary. A flooded house isn't nearly as bad as being disfigured.
  - manarth 10y ago
    My main concern is these devices causing bodily harm That's a reasonable, genuine concern, and one that should require physical interlocks (not just software code) to guard against. That's a good situation for mandatory safety codes (such as the FDA requirements for 2 physical interlocks on microwaves [1]). [1] http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=1030.10 http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRS...
  - zitterbewegung 10y ago
    What about food poisoning when I make your refridgerator turn off?
  - mrob 10y ago
    A flooded house is effectively extorting you with threat of bodily harm, because it costs money to dry it, and if you don't dry it promptly then mold will grow, which will cause health problems.
jhgkug 10y ago
I think that there has been a report of an IOT running machine being hacked and the settings suddenly being changed to max speed - causing the user to be thrown off the back of it.
- dqv 10y ago
  And because these devices are proprietary, there is no way to know. None of this stuff is going to be in my house any time soon.
base 10y ago
Your machine can go in flames and burn your house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6T5BojXc8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6T5BojXc8
matthewmacleod 10y ago
I'm quite interested in what will happen when a significant proportion of people have internet-connected thermostats, and malware of some kind makes them all turn the heating to full power at the same time. I think it would be interesting to see what happens to utility distribution grids in that case.
user7670 10y ago
As a diabetic, storing my insulin in others' fridges when on trips is already a real concern - if the insulin isn't refrigerated well enough for long periods of time or is frozen it can become less effective. So if someone hacked my fridge and froze my insulin each night it'd start to harm my health. I assume other medications will have an even more severe impact for their users when frozen or not properly refrigerated.
ayyn0n0n0 10y ago
There was a talk at DEF CON where they ransomwared a thermostat. Example, it could turn the temp in your house up to 105F and demand 1 BTC from you to work normal again.

by dqv 10y ago

Whatever. What's the worst that could happen? My dishwasher opening and spraying pressurized water at me? In all seriousness, it could be a good niche market "not internet capable".

dublinben 10y ago

With an internet connected thermostat, someone could turn off your heat while you are away during the winter, causing your pipes to burst and flooding your home. Alternatively, in the summertime they could crank up your heat and potentially kill any pets you have at home.

bbayles 10y ago

Water damage could run to hundreds of thousands of dollars in a few hours.

askmike 10y ago

To give in, what about blowing up? If some dishwashers do this without tampering, imagine what a dedicated attacker could do. http://www.recode.net/2016/9/29/13099092/samsung-exploding-robot-roommate-washing-machine http://www.recode.net/2016/9/29/13099092/samsung-exploding-r...

tarancato 10y ago

Your dishwasher potentially flooding your house doesn't sound bad enough to you? What if you have wood floors? What if water shorted electrical devices? All of this could cost you thousands in repairs.

dqv 10y ago
My main concern is these devices causing bodily harm. The dishwasher spraying hot water at me is pretty scary. A flooded house isn't nearly as bad as being disfigured.
- manarth 10y ago
  My main concern is these devices causing bodily harm That's a reasonable, genuine concern, and one that should require physical interlocks (not just software code) to guard against. That's a good situation for mandatory safety codes (such as the FDA requirements for 2 physical interlocks on microwaves [1]). [1] http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?FR=1030.10 http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRS...
- zitterbewegung 10y ago
  What about food poisoning when I make your refridgerator turn off?
- mrob 10y ago
  A flooded house is effectively extorting you with threat of bodily harm, because it costs money to dry it, and if you don't dry it promptly then mold will grow, which will cause health problems.

jhgkug 10y ago

I think that there has been a report of an IOT running machine being hacked and the settings suddenly being changed to max speed - causing the user to be thrown off the back of it.

dqv 10y ago
And because these devices are proprietary, there is no way to know. None of this stuff is going to be in my house any time soon.

base 10y ago

Your machine can go in flames and burn your house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6T5BojXc8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6T5BojXc8

matthewmacleod 10y ago

I'm quite interested in what will happen when a significant proportion of people have internet-connected thermostats, and malware of some kind makes them all turn the heating to full power at the same time. I think it would be interesting to see what happens to utility distribution grids in that case.

user7670 10y ago

As a diabetic, storing my insulin in others' fridges when on trips is already a real concern - if the insulin isn't refrigerated well enough for long periods of time or is frozen it can become less effective. So if someone hacked my fridge and froze my insulin each night it'd start to harm my health. I assume other medications will have an even more severe impact for their users when frozen or not properly refrigerated.

ayyn0n0n0 10y ago

There was a talk at DEF CON where they ransomwared a thermostat. Example, it could turn the temp in your house up to 105F and demand 1 BTC from you to work normal again.