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Yeah, and these things will continue to proliferate. Probably near hopeless to expect all of these manufacturers to stem this. But, it seems that ISPs could pl

Yeah, and these things will continue to proliferate. Probably near hopeless to expect all of these manufacturers to stem this. But, it seems that ISPs could play a more pivotal role in combating this, and that they'd have financial incentive to do so. For instance, what if we built more security/detection into routers/gateways (especially those that ISPs push)? What if we combined this with mandates for ISPs to better monitor their traffic and established minimum standards for doing so?

kijin 10y ago
What financial incentive? I won't be surprised if we see, before the end of the year, news along the lines of "Toaster catches virus, leaves owner with $5K data bill." Why bear any costs when you can pass them on to your captive customers?
- unclebucknasty 10y ago
  >What financial incentive? If the network starts to serve an increasingly disproportionate amount of illegitimate traffic for n customers, then the ISP will have to increase throughput (and costs) to continue serving n customers. It's tempting to argue that they could just pass the extra costs on to customers, but that obviously makes them less competitive, especially vs an ISP that better manages costs.
  - gregmac 10y ago
    Many ISPs have basically no real competition. Don't like your cable company? Your alternative is <5Mbps DSL with a tiny amount of upload, high-latency and low data caps on satellite, and if you're lucky, a wireless connection that's even worse than DSL.
    - unclebucknasty 10y ago
      Maybe in some places. But, that says they could raise prices now. And, to the extent that this is true (or not), they are still better off with reduced costs.
luma 10y ago
Creating a framework where my ISP is legally required to perform deep packet inspection on my traffic seems like the wrong way to handle this for a whole pile of reasons.

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Yeah, and these things will continue to proliferate. Probably near hopeless to expect all of these manufacturers to stem this. But, it seems that ISPs could pl

by unclebucknasty 10y ago

kijin 10y ago
What financial incentive? I won't be surprised if we see, before the end of the year, news along the lines of "Toaster catches virus, leaves owner with $5K data bill." Why bear any costs when you can pass them on to your captive customers?
- unclebucknasty 10y ago
  >What financial incentive? If the network starts to serve an increasingly disproportionate amount of illegitimate traffic for n customers, then the ISP will have to increase throughput (and costs) to continue serving n customers. It's tempting to argue that they could just pass the extra costs on to customers, but that obviously makes them less competitive, especially vs an ISP that better manages costs.
  - gregmac 10y ago
    Many ISPs have basically no real competition. Don't like your cable company? Your alternative is <5Mbps DSL with a tiny amount of upload, high-latency and low data caps on satellite, and if you're lucky, a wireless connection that's even worse than DSL.
    - unclebucknasty 10y ago
      Maybe in some places. But, that says they could raise prices now. And, to the extent that this is true (or not), they are still better off with reduced costs.
luma 10y ago
Creating a framework where my ISP is legally required to perform deep packet inspection on my traffic seems like the wrong way to handle this for a whole pile of reasons.