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> sex offender registry If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. If that's not the case, then anything p

> sex offender registry If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. If that's not the case, then anything past their incarceration / parole is blatantly unfair.

slouch 10y ago
...especially because urinating in public can land you on the list for life.
- protomyth 10y ago
  some sources for slouch's post http://www.businessinsider.com/surprising-things-that-could-make-you-a-sex-offender-2013-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/surprising-things-that-could-... https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/09/11/us-sex-offender-laws-may-do-more-harm-good https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/09/11/us-sex-offender-laws-may...
  - ihsw 10y ago
    Taking a piss in woods managed by Fish and Wildlife Services will land on on the sex offender registry, if caught. It's absurd.
    - RonanTheGrey 10y ago
      Holy crap I didn't realize it was that easy. That's incredibly scary, because presence on that list basically destroys your life, your family's life, and your ability to ever build a life - all because it is public and used for every background check under the sun instead of obviously protected professions like teaching, etc.
      - ihsw 10y ago
        It's considered exposing yourself. Yes very scary.
    - koolba 10y ago
      > Taking a piss in woods managed by Fish and Wildlife Services will land on on the sex offender registry, if caught. It's absurd. That's seriously absurd. Are the any instances of this being enforced in a public park? I've read of many cases of getting added to the registry from public urination, but they're all in cities[1]. [1]: And usually it's not even in "public". It'd be behind a dumpster or the end of an alley. Yes it's not something we as a society want, but who in their right mind puts that person in the same category as a pedophile.
      - eth0up 10y ago
        1. http://www.menshealth.com/guy-wisdom/you-might-be-sex-offender-and-not-know-it http://www.menshealth.com/guy-wisdom/you-might-be-sex-offend... mentions a few frightening accounts of arrests (one behind a garbage bin resulting in deportation), but not in parks 2. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/sunday/punishment-that-doesnt-fit-the-crime.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/sunday/punishment-... - mentions the matter
adekok 10y ago
> If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. Well, no. After multiple DUIs, someone can have their license taken away permanently. The justice system has a long history of restricting peoples behavior who are (a) out of jail, but (b) still a danger to themselves or others.
- protomyth 10y ago
  I am talking specifically about sex offenders.
- hossbeast 10y ago
  Long history doesn't make it right
  - LyndsySimon 10y ago
    According to the courts, it makes it legal.
AnimalMuppet 10y ago
> If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. We should recognize that we cannot always judge that correctly. So you either let people out who might still be a danger, or you keep people locked up who might not be a danger. (And, in fact, you do both - all you can do is adjust the proportions.) But people scream really loudly if you keep people locked up who arguably are no longer a danger...
- protomyth 10y ago
  Of course we aren't going to get it right 100% of the time[1], but either they are rehabilitated & "served their debt to society" or they aren't. The whole sex offender list is a half-ass way to cover the bases. We need to get over ourselves and pick: they need to be incarcerated[2] or they can rejoin society. The list is incarceration on the prisoner's dime and puts them at the fringe forever. Lumping all of these into one pot is another foolish idea with the list. 1) heck, we don't get guilty / not guilty right which is why I'm against the death penalty 2) in some form
boundring 10y ago
Civil commitment actually results in this. Repeat sex offenders are effectively jailed for life.
duaneb 10y ago
> If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. This is not how justice works. If you want to create some other form of government, that's fine, just don't call prison justice.
rhizome 10y ago
Belief is the standard for justice in a theocracy.

slouch 10y ago

...especially because urinating in public can land you on the list for life.

protomyth 10y ago
some sources for slouch's post http://www.businessinsider.com/surprising-things-that-could-make-you-a-sex-offender-2013-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/surprising-things-that-could-... https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/09/11/us-sex-offender-laws-may-do-more-harm-good https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/09/11/us-sex-offender-laws-may...
- ihsw 10y ago
  Taking a piss in woods managed by Fish and Wildlife Services will land on on the sex offender registry, if caught. It's absurd.
  - RonanTheGrey 10y ago
    Holy crap I didn't realize it was that easy. That's incredibly scary, because presence on that list basically destroys your life, your family's life, and your ability to ever build a life - all because it is public and used for every background check under the sun instead of obviously protected professions like teaching, etc.
    - ihsw 10y ago
      It's considered exposing yourself. Yes very scary.
  - koolba 10y ago
    > Taking a piss in woods managed by Fish and Wildlife Services will land on on the sex offender registry, if caught. It's absurd. That's seriously absurd. Are the any instances of this being enforced in a public park? I've read of many cases of getting added to the registry from public urination, but they're all in cities[1]. [1]: And usually it's not even in "public". It'd be behind a dumpster or the end of an alley. Yes it's not something we as a society want, but who in their right mind puts that person in the same category as a pedophile.
    - eth0up 10y ago
      1. http://www.menshealth.com/guy-wisdom/you-might-be-sex-offender-and-not-know-it http://www.menshealth.com/guy-wisdom/you-might-be-sex-offend... mentions a few frightening accounts of arrests (one behind a garbage bin resulting in deportation), but not in parks 2. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/sunday/punishment-that-doesnt-fit-the-crime.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/sunday/punishment-... - mentions the matter

adekok 10y ago

> If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. Well, no. After multiple DUIs, someone can have their license taken away permanently. The justice system has a long history of restricting peoples behavior who are (a) out of jail, but (b) still a danger to themselves or others.

protomyth 10y ago
I am talking specifically about sex offenders.
hossbeast 10y ago
Long history doesn't make it right
- LyndsySimon 10y ago
  According to the courts, it makes it legal.

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

> If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. We should recognize that we cannot always judge that correctly. So you either let people out who might still be a danger, or you keep people locked up who might not be a danger. (And, in fact, you do both - all you can do is adjust the proportions.) But people scream really loudly if you keep people locked up who arguably are no longer a danger...

protomyth 10y ago
Of course we aren't going to get it right 100% of the time[1], but either they are rehabilitated & "served their debt to society" or they aren't. The whole sex offender list is a half-ass way to cover the bases. We need to get over ourselves and pick: they need to be incarcerated[2] or they can rejoin society. The list is incarceration on the prisoner's dime and puts them at the fringe forever. Lumping all of these into one pot is another foolish idea with the list. 1) heck, we don't get guilty / not guilty right which is why I'm against the death penalty 2) in some form

boundring 10y ago

Civil commitment actually results in this. Repeat sex offenders are effectively jailed for life.

duaneb 10y ago

> If we as a society believe the person is still a danger, then we shouldn't let them out, ever. This is not how justice works. If you want to create some other form of government, that's fine, just don't call prison justice.

rhizome 10y ago

Belief is the standard for justice in a theocracy.