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>is starting to unf*ck themselves too. Too late. Developers have left the building. .NET only exists any more because of legacy interests, there's little comp

>is starting to unf*ck themselves too. Too late. Developers have left the building. .NET only exists any more because of legacy interests, there's little compelling developer story otherwise.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Developers have left the building. Eh, developers (collectively -- individually, less so, but the set of individuals that make up the collective are in constant flux) are fickle. If there's something good on offer, they'll come back. There's some psuchological resistance that might make rebranding helpful to this, but Microsoft's big enough that, they can probably afford keep things going long enough that people will get over psychological resistance even without that, if they are dedicated.
nikanj 10y ago
This developer is going to leave the building when someone else can provide documentation on the MSDN level
- dev360 10y ago
  I cringe every time I have to read the MSDN documentation. When you really need it, it barely goes into detail to explain what a class/method/parameter does, how to use it, or give any useful code examples. Its just a false sense of security, in my opinion. Python and Django has great documentation that most of all is relevant with good examples. For the things that you cant figure out, you can always read the source and you will find the answer.
pjmlp 10y ago
We have a few companies on our portfolio which are both part of Fortune 500 index and whose IT is around 80% Windows. The last four years I only developed UNIX applications outside work.
LyalinDotCom 10y ago
Our cloud platform (Azure) here in Cloud and Enterprise team (where I work) does not only embrace .NET and Windows Server. We've got a lot of people working every day to make sure Linux is a first class citizen and we're ensuring that developers working with Python, Node.js, Ruby, etc, get a first class experience as much as we can make it happen. If you want one huge example where we are embracing Linux as an OS, just see how our SQL Server team is bringing SQL Server to Linux. (its not in public preview yet but we're working on that). https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/sql-server-on-linux https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/sql-server-on... But don't get me wrong, we really love and believe in .NET and our own server technology, we're always looking to find ways to innovate and grow it. Just as one example, look at all the work we've done with .NET Core and bringing that to run on Linux, Mac and Windows equally. https://www.microsoft.com/net/core https://www.microsoft.com/net/core This isn't the old Microsoft and I love working here more and more every day now that for the last few years we've really embraced the developer community to enable them choice in however they want to build their next app.
youdontknowtho 10y ago
You confuse developers like you or like the ones you know with all developers.

>is starting to unf*ck themselves too. Too late. Developers have left the building. .NET only exists any more because of legacy interests, there's little compelling developer story otherwise.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Developers have left the building. Eh, developers (collectively -- individually, less so, but the set of individuals that make up the collective are in constant flux) are fickle. If there's something good on offer, they'll come back. There's some psuchological resistance that might make rebranding helpful to this, but Microsoft's big enough that, they can probably afford keep things going long enough that people will get over psychological resistance even without that, if they are dedicated.

nikanj 10y ago

This developer is going to leave the building when someone else can provide documentation on the MSDN level

dev360 10y ago
I cringe every time I have to read the MSDN documentation. When you really need it, it barely goes into detail to explain what a class/method/parameter does, how to use it, or give any useful code examples. Its just a false sense of security, in my opinion. Python and Django has great documentation that most of all is relevant with good examples. For the things that you cant figure out, you can always read the source and you will find the answer.

pjmlp 10y ago

We have a few companies on our portfolio which are both part of Fortune 500 index and whose IT is around 80% Windows. The last four years I only developed UNIX applications outside work.

LyalinDotCom 10y ago

Our cloud platform (Azure) here in Cloud and Enterprise team (where I work) does not only embrace .NET and Windows Server. We've got a lot of people working every day to make sure Linux is a first class citizen and we're ensuring that developers working with Python, Node.js, Ruby, etc, get a first class experience as much as we can make it happen. If you want one huge example where we are embracing Linux as an OS, just see how our SQL Server team is bringing SQL Server to Linux. (its not in public preview yet but we're working on that). https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/sql-server-on-linux https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/sql-server-on... But don't get me wrong, we really love and believe in .NET and our own server technology, we're always looking to find ways to innovate and grow it. Just as one example, look at all the work we've done with .NET Core and bringing that to run on Linux, Mac and Windows equally. https://www.microsoft.com/net/core https://www.microsoft.com/net/core This isn't the old Microsoft and I love working here more and more every day now that for the last few years we've really embraced the developer community to enable them choice in however they want to build their next app.

youdontknowtho 10y ago

You confuse developers like you or like the ones you know with all developers.