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Is anyone besides me worried that Steve Jobs is going to say "they tried to kill the iphone, so we will never adopt their evil standards!"? Is the animosity bet
by jxcole 17y ago
Is anyone besides me worried that Steve Jobs is going to say "they tried to kill the iphone, so we will never adopt their evil standards!"? Is the animosity between google and apple enough to stifle development?
- yesbabyyes 17y agoI think YouTube is enough to drive consumer demand, whatever Steve says.
- drewcrawford 17y agoIf this was true, I would think Google would be using YouTube as a negotiating chip to get, say, Voice or Navigation on the iPhone.
- pavs 17y agoyesbabyyes is not suggesting that Google will force Apple in to adopting VP8, he is just pointing out the fact that if Apple doesn't support VP8 their users won't be able to watch YouTube videos. Google won't have to do anything, Apple consumers will pressure Apple to adopt this standard in order to be able to play YouTube videos. YouTube is bigger than Steve's perceived ego.
- joubert 17y agoYouTube runs h.264 for iPad and iPhone connections.
- jrockway 17y agoGoogle runs YouTube.
- stanleydrew 17y agoI'm not worried about that at all. Rejecting web-standards that others like Firefox and Chrome are implementing is surely a path to destruction and I don't think SJ is that crazy.
- rimantas 17y agoNitpick, but video codec is not a web standard. There was a big discussion whether HTML5 should require support for some codec, and in the end it does not. Otherwise Apple's WebKit (which is the rendering engine for Chrome) is doing very well in terms of web-standards.
- jcl 17y agoThis reminds me of a chapter from an HTML5 e-book that was recently posted: http://diveintohtml5.org/past.html http://diveintohtml5.org/past.html If there's any consistent theme to the history of web standards, it's that all the successful standards start as someone's proprietary extension that eventually becomes a de facto standard before being codified by the standards committee. Standards that start in the committee rarely gain traction.
- stanleydrew 17y agoAh, true, I was a little hasty. Still I don't see how Apple could realistically refuse to support this in Safari, since presumably support for codecs is directly built into WebKit and either Apple or Google would have to fork it if they wanted to go in separate directions. That's not totally out of the question though I suppose...
- wmf 17y agoApple and Nokia refused to support Theora, and the same argument applies to VP8 since it's also from the VP family. Google would probably need to provide indemnification to change Apple's mind. Safari and Chrome both use WebKit but they use completely different code to implement <video>; Safari uses QuickTime and Chrome uses ffmpeg.
- vetinari 17y agoApple and Nokia refused to support Theora, because they have vested interest in H.264 - they both are on the licensors side. Why would they support free codec, when they get cut from every license fee paid for the encumbered one? The argument used by both of them is just convenient excuse. What do you expect of them? To tell you what is in the above paragraph?
- acg 17y agoJobs is a businessman, it would make sense to him to try and avoid or reduce licensing costs. Google turned from a close partner to being a competitor, not an enemy.
- protomyth 17y agoAlex Lindsay said it right when he said Google and Apple try to "control or commoditize" - commoditized video is good which license and patent terms I wonder...
- WildUtah 17y ago/animosity between google and apple enough to stifle development?/ Worse, will it keep us all under Microsoft's thumb?