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Typical left-leaning article. In the totality of law enforcement shootings, the vast majority of people have been white, 26% have been black, the rest a mix. B

Typical left-leaning article. In the totality of law enforcement shootings, the vast majority of people have been white, 26% have been black, the rest a mix. Black Lives Matter is a false narrative. Blacks make up 13% of the US population, but have a disproportionate percentage of young men involved in crimes. Young black men have no family life. As of 2016, 79% of all black children are born to unwed mothers. Those children grow up with no father present in the household. No father equals MASSIVE instability. The ideal is a man and woman raising children together. Blacks lack this. In almost every one of these shootings, after the dust settles, it's learned that the person shot had a record, had a warrant, was wanted for other crimes, was carrying an illegal or stolen knife or gun. The recent Charlotte incident showed the man was carrying a gun that was both stolen and illegal for him to possess as he was already a felon. I've no problem with peaceful protests, but when your civil rights are no longer being civil, you lose your civil rights. If you start looting or damaging property, you get shot and deservedly so. It's come to light in Charlotte that quite a few of the black people being arrested have out-of-state driver's licenses. This shows a growing trend. That the violence and looting are not organic. The local are being agitated by outside influences. This is all being done by people with money, like a certain rich Hungarian in bed with certain high-level Democrats in this country. None of this is accidental. Professional agitators were found to be active in Ferguson, Charlotte, Baltimore, NYC, you name it. Were I in charge and you were looting, I'd turn a tractor-trailer load of German Shepherds on you. Time to take off the gloves. Notice that in Russia, this never happens. Like him or hate him, but Vladimir Putin keeps a tight reign on civil discourse and political activities by the populace. People can peacefully protest, but when they start to act violently, they need to be quelled very quickly.

tdb7893 10y ago
If the problem is instability in black communities I don't understand why your solution is to crack down very hard on unrest. While it might be an okay short term solution I feel like this escalates the situation while not solving the underlying problem.
- deepwave 10y ago
  Violence needs to--has to--be met with equal or greater force to show the thugs who is boss--in this case the legally-appointed police and justice system. The answer is not a basic, universal income as some have suggested. No one deserves anything unless they earn it. I'm not talking about people who cannot work--the handicapped, retarded, etc. I'm talking about able-bodied people who refuse to even try. They sit around, collect a check, and think the world owes them something. The world owes no one anything. Get a job, even a menial one, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, do whatever it takes. Do it legally, honorably, constantly, and you will improve your lot in life. This administration has damaged America. It has convinced young people that the rich and wealthy owe the "rest of us" something. Not true. The rich and wealthy have what they have. It's theirs. Jealousy doesn't solve problems. It exacerbates them. No one is owed a college education payed for by the rich. I did it on MY OWN WITHOUT HELP EVEN FROM MY PARENTS. I'm not special, a genius, or even that gifted. I took responsibility for ME and MINE. I get what I earn. I deserve nothing else.
  - tdb7893 10y ago
    I understand where you are coming from and I think the disagreements come from underlying philosophical differences and differences in experiences that I don't have time to debate before going to work. Thank you for exposing me to a different viewpoint and staying polite in the discussion.
  - sanderjd 10y ago
    > Violence needs to--has to--be met with equal or greater force to show the thugs who is boss--in this case the legally-appointed police and justice system. This is a flawed and historically ignorant premise, presented with no justification.
    - deepwave 10y ago
      Flawed by whose standards? The left? If society is to have order, those who would violate that order in a way that uses violence, looting, mauling of others, blocking of roads used by emergency vehicles and commerce, and general disruption should be quelled quickly. People who would loot, etc. understand nothing but violence. We cannot and should not hand hold these "people". Get out of line, get smacked. Pure and simple.
deepwave 10y ago
I love how the leftists are taking the points down without commenting. The comments I made are factual and can be backed up. But let's not allow some facts to get in the way of our emotions over some violent people, who, more often than not, deserved to be shot by law enforcement. Fact: if you act violently, don't comply with a lawful order, take your protest violent in any way, shape, or form, you deserve what you get. I grow weary of how the attitudes of Americans have changed. A few years ago, no one would have batted an eye at cops doing their thing. Now? Cops are the enemy, even when its learned the person shot was a known criminal. If criminals get shot, good. It's evolution removing the stupid, non-complying, and evil from society. Chicago is a pure example. You NEVER, EVER hear the media talk about black on black crime, which is what Chicago is. It's not guns, people. If those gang banger thugs only had knives or bats, the same amount of deaths would occur. Look at south east Asia for examples. Guns are difficult to come by, so the thugs there use knives, cleavers, bats, hammers, cars. Personally, Chicago is a culling of the stupid. Let them kill themselves. The women are better off when stupid men are removed from the gene pool. Those poor kids whose dad would be part of a gang deserve better, anyway, not that dads in black communities are even really present. Most black women are unmarried and have two or more kids, usually not from the same man. "Dad" is busy being a thug, stealing, raping, selling dope, sitting around without a job with his thug friends eating, drinking, and smoking. This is NOT a stereotype. I've seen this for years with my own eyes in my own big city.
- tdb7893 10y ago
  I think that your view ignores the underlying societal problems that are causing the situation and just exacerbate the persecution that has created the current mess. These people aren't fundamentally worse, I think you have some insight when you are talking about the societal problems but police crackdowns aren't the way to fix those problems long term. It might be necessary short term but without some plans to actually ameliorate the societal problems it will just shoot yourself in the foot.
- splawn 10y ago
  If we hypothetically took you and kept you identical,same worldview,same education, same income, everything the same.....except we made your skin black. Congratulations! You are now 4 times more likely to leave a police encounter dead! and if that somehow happend..... then, in this one hypothetical case, I would indeed agree with you that they were "culling the stupid"
sfrailsdev 10y ago
Maybe you are just trolling and trying to start a fight instead of starting a conversation, but on the off chance you aren't.... I'm proud to be an American. And in this country, our country, I have certain basic expectations for due process if I'm suspected or accused of a crime. I am sure we have different perceptions of the men and women who have died. But perhaps you will agree with me, having a record, a warrant, or carrying an illegal weapon, even if that was the case in every one of these situations, which it is not, is not an executable offense in the United States. Most of the protested deaths have been from traffic stops, not looting, but damaging property and stealing property doesn't seem like a good reason to shoot living breathing American people. Law Enforcement captured the shooter in aurora, the shooter in that black church, terrorists both foreign and domestic, murders and serial killers, and they took them alive. Why should people die at traffic stops? By your own numbers, African Americans are twice as likely to be shot and killed then their percentage in the population suggests. It doesn't matter why that is, even if we disagree on the cause, I think we can both say that the country can do better by it's citizens. It's fine to talk about the cause, but if you leave it at that, it's just an excuse. As for Russia, I think you have a warped view. I am we are talking about a former communist dictatorship run with an iron fist. Unsanctioned protests, even by single individual persons, are met with heavy fines and jail time. Protests in Moscow are no longer allowed. Opposition politicians are arrested or assassinated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/22/meanwhile-in-russia-putin-passes-law-against-protests/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/22... http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/05/new-normal-in-russia-putin-critics-punished-with-harsh-prison-terms/ http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/05/new-normal-in-russia-p... It sounds like you are getting a lot of your sense of what's going on from the news. That's a filter between you and the truth, pushing one agenda or another. People say that the Tea Party was funded by the Koch Brothers and outside interests too, and maybe some groups were, but funding doesn't create protests. I visited DC a few years ago when that movement was big in the news and talked with protesters there from the tea party, and got a sense of who they were. Americans who felt that things weren't fair for them. And I'd argue that, essentially, that's what BLM protesters are, just upset about different things. Go out and listen to some BLM protestors, talk with them and more importantly listen to them, as fellow Americans, with an open mind and heart. Maybe you won't agree on everything, or anything, but talking to people with different views, open mindedness, honest debate about issues is why this is America, not Russia. If people are looting they should be arrested and tried in our courts, not attacked with dogs. I'm taking that as hyperbole on your part.

tdb7893 10y ago

If the problem is instability in black communities I don't understand why your solution is to crack down very hard on unrest. While it might be an okay short term solution I feel like this escalates the situation while not solving the underlying problem.

deepwave 10y ago
Violence needs to--has to--be met with equal or greater force to show the thugs who is boss--in this case the legally-appointed police and justice system. The answer is not a basic, universal income as some have suggested. No one deserves anything unless they earn it. I'm not talking about people who cannot work--the handicapped, retarded, etc. I'm talking about able-bodied people who refuse to even try. They sit around, collect a check, and think the world owes them something. The world owes no one anything. Get a job, even a menial one, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, do whatever it takes. Do it legally, honorably, constantly, and you will improve your lot in life. This administration has damaged America. It has convinced young people that the rich and wealthy owe the "rest of us" something. Not true. The rich and wealthy have what they have. It's theirs. Jealousy doesn't solve problems. It exacerbates them. No one is owed a college education payed for by the rich. I did it on MY OWN WITHOUT HELP EVEN FROM MY PARENTS. I'm not special, a genius, or even that gifted. I took responsibility for ME and MINE. I get what I earn. I deserve nothing else.
- tdb7893 10y ago
  I understand where you are coming from and I think the disagreements come from underlying philosophical differences and differences in experiences that I don't have time to debate before going to work. Thank you for exposing me to a different viewpoint and staying polite in the discussion.
- sanderjd 10y ago
  > Violence needs to--has to--be met with equal or greater force to show the thugs who is boss--in this case the legally-appointed police and justice system. This is a flawed and historically ignorant premise, presented with no justification.
  - deepwave 10y ago
    Flawed by whose standards? The left? If society is to have order, those who would violate that order in a way that uses violence, looting, mauling of others, blocking of roads used by emergency vehicles and commerce, and general disruption should be quelled quickly. People who would loot, etc. understand nothing but violence. We cannot and should not hand hold these "people". Get out of line, get smacked. Pure and simple.

deepwave 10y ago

I love how the leftists are taking the points down without commenting. The comments I made are factual and can be backed up. But let's not allow some facts to get in the way of our emotions over some violent people, who, more often than not, deserved to be shot by law enforcement. Fact: if you act violently, don't comply with a lawful order, take your protest violent in any way, shape, or form, you deserve what you get. I grow weary of how the attitudes of Americans have changed. A few years ago, no one would have batted an eye at cops doing their thing. Now? Cops are the enemy, even when its learned the person shot was a known criminal. If criminals get shot, good. It's evolution removing the stupid, non-complying, and evil from society. Chicago is a pure example. You NEVER, EVER hear the media talk about black on black crime, which is what Chicago is. It's not guns, people. If those gang banger thugs only had knives or bats, the same amount of deaths would occur. Look at south east Asia for examples. Guns are difficult to come by, so the thugs there use knives, cleavers, bats, hammers, cars. Personally, Chicago is a culling of the stupid. Let them kill themselves. The women are better off when stupid men are removed from the gene pool. Those poor kids whose dad would be part of a gang deserve better, anyway, not that dads in black communities are even really present. Most black women are unmarried and have two or more kids, usually not from the same man. "Dad" is busy being a thug, stealing, raping, selling dope, sitting around without a job with his thug friends eating, drinking, and smoking. This is NOT a stereotype. I've seen this for years with my own eyes in my own big city.

tdb7893 10y ago
I think that your view ignores the underlying societal problems that are causing the situation and just exacerbate the persecution that has created the current mess. These people aren't fundamentally worse, I think you have some insight when you are talking about the societal problems but police crackdowns aren't the way to fix those problems long term. It might be necessary short term but without some plans to actually ameliorate the societal problems it will just shoot yourself in the foot.
splawn 10y ago
If we hypothetically took you and kept you identical,same worldview,same education, same income, everything the same.....except we made your skin black. Congratulations! You are now 4 times more likely to leave a police encounter dead! and if that somehow happend..... then, in this one hypothetical case, I would indeed agree with you that they were "culling the stupid"

sfrailsdev 10y ago

Maybe you are just trolling and trying to start a fight instead of starting a conversation, but on the off chance you aren't.... I'm proud to be an American. And in this country, our country, I have certain basic expectations for due process if I'm suspected or accused of a crime. I am sure we have different perceptions of the men and women who have died. But perhaps you will agree with me, having a record, a warrant, or carrying an illegal weapon, even if that was the case in every one of these situations, which it is not, is not an executable offense in the United States. Most of the protested deaths have been from traffic stops, not looting, but damaging property and stealing property doesn't seem like a good reason to shoot living breathing American people. Law Enforcement captured the shooter in aurora, the shooter in that black church, terrorists both foreign and domestic, murders and serial killers, and they took them alive. Why should people die at traffic stops? By your own numbers, African Americans are twice as likely to be shot and killed then their percentage in the population suggests. It doesn't matter why that is, even if we disagree on the cause, I think we can both say that the country can do better by it's citizens. It's fine to talk about the cause, but if you leave it at that, it's just an excuse. As for Russia, I think you have a warped view. I am we are talking about a former communist dictatorship run with an iron fist. Unsanctioned protests, even by single individual persons, are met with heavy fines and jail time. Protests in Moscow are no longer allowed. Opposition politicians are arrested or assassinated. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/22/meanwhile-in-russia-putin-passes-law-against-protests/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/22... http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/05/new-normal-in-russia-putin-critics-punished-with-harsh-prison-terms/ http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/05/new-normal-in-russia-p... It sounds like you are getting a lot of your sense of what's going on from the news. That's a filter between you and the truth, pushing one agenda or another. People say that the Tea Party was funded by the Koch Brothers and outside interests too, and maybe some groups were, but funding doesn't create protests. I visited DC a few years ago when that movement was big in the news and talked with protesters there from the tea party, and got a sense of who they were. Americans who felt that things weren't fair for them. And I'd argue that, essentially, that's what BLM protesters are, just upset about different things. Go out and listen to some BLM protestors, talk with them and more importantly listen to them, as fellow Americans, with an open mind and heart. Maybe you won't agree on everything, or anything, but talking to people with different views, open mindedness, honest debate about issues is why this is America, not Russia. If people are looting they should be arrested and tried in our courts, not attacked with dogs. I'm taking that as hyperbole on your part.