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> “We want to involve people impacted by AI as well,” said Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder and head of applied AI at DeepMind, a subsidiary of Alphabet. Who belie

by meira 10y ago

> “We want to involve people impacted by AI as well,” said Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder and head of applied AI at DeepMind, a subsidiary of Alphabet. Who believes that this is to favor users, believes in everything.

JabavuAdams 10y ago
Actually, the DeepMind people seem quite idealistic. Whether they can maintain that idealism in the face of corporate pressures is another story. The character of the founders and engineers matters. Would you rather have GAI developed by DeepMind / Google, or by Lockheed Martin?
- hueving 10y ago
  Lockheed Martin, their revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications. With Google at the helm there is almost no chance this stuff won't be always executing on their servers rather than in your device alone.
  - tonmoy 10y ago
    But their revenue stream is generated from war.
    - meira 10y ago
      Só the only reasonable answer is none of these two (neither Facebook)
  - ucaetano 10y ago
    > revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications Oh, it is! Not only that, but their revenue stream is mining that data and handing it over to the government: http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/business/ATL10.php http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/business/ATL10.php
    - hueving 10y ago
      Analyzing data given to them or public is not the same thing as exfiltrating data from your users devices in misleading ways (e.g. Sending wifi info back even when wifi is off).
  - JabavuAdams 10y ago
    The weapons industry is one of the dirtiest and most corrupt around. I'm having a hard time understanding how concerns about which server your AI is running on trump an industry that distorts politics, misappropriates public money, and contributes to the corruption of various regimes.
- taneq 10y ago
  So our choices are to build a peeping tom or a terminator? Whatever we build is likely to be both. (Any open-ended goal necessarily has subgoals of 'acquire information' and 'defend self by force if necessary'.)

by meira 10y ago

JabavuAdams 10y ago

Actually, the DeepMind people seem quite idealistic. Whether they can maintain that idealism in the face of corporate pressures is another story. The character of the founders and engineers matters. Would you rather have GAI developed by DeepMind / Google, or by Lockheed Martin?

hueving 10y ago
Lockheed Martin, their revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications. With Google at the helm there is almost no chance this stuff won't be always executing on their servers rather than in your device alone.
- tonmoy 10y ago
  But their revenue stream is generated from war.
  - meira 10y ago
    Só the only reasonable answer is none of these two (neither Facebook)
- ucaetano 10y ago
  > revenue stream isn't based on mining your personal information and communications Oh, it is! Not only that, but their revenue stream is mining that data and handing it over to the government: http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/business/ATL10.php http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/business/ATL10.php
  - hueving 10y ago
    Analyzing data given to them or public is not the same thing as exfiltrating data from your users devices in misleading ways (e.g. Sending wifi info back even when wifi is off).
- JabavuAdams 10y ago
  The weapons industry is one of the dirtiest and most corrupt around. I'm having a hard time understanding how concerns about which server your AI is running on trump an industry that distorts politics, misappropriates public money, and contributes to the corruption of various regimes.
taneq 10y ago
So our choices are to build a peeping tom or a terminator? Whatever we build is likely to be both. (Any open-ended goal necessarily has subgoals of 'acquire information' and 'defend self by force if necessary'.)