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Apple can't figure out that I don't want to say 'ducking' after hundreds of times of dismissing it with their keyboard. Siri never delivered on what was promis

by Ros2 10y ago

Apple can't figure out that I don't want to say 'ducking' after hundreds of times of dismissing it with their keyboard. Siri never delivered on what was promised--part of the reason the microphone in the new wireless earbuds is so laughable. Apple currently has no answer to Allo or chat bots in general. >For example, see the article floating a few weeks ago on Medium (I think) on how Apple was embedding ML in everything. Plans are easy to talk about. You seem to want to give Apple a lot of credit for things going on behind closed doors. As far as the consumer can see, they have fallen behind.

konspence 10y ago
They recently acquired an AI/ML startup called Turi - I think they see the need to remain competitive. http://www.geekwire.com/2016/exclusive-apple-acquires-turi-major-exit-seattle-based-machine-learning-ai-startup/ http://www.geekwire.com/2016/exclusive-apple-acquires-turi-m...
Bud 10y ago
Uh, you're just making this up. You have no idea whether the "microphone" (by the way, for those who are not fact-averse, it's dual beam-forming mics) in the new wireless earbuds is "laughable". They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. By the way, it's actually very easy to teach Apple's devices the word "fucking". You haven't figured it out yet, but that doesn't make it Apple's fault. Did you try Googling it yet or spending five seconds figuring it out yet? I can assure you, I'm quite able to use any profanity I want on Apple's devices; they learned about my inclination towards profanity years ago and have flawlessly handled it since.
- Ros2 10y ago
  >They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. This is a funny assertion. I've used a microphone before, I've used headphones before, and I've used Siri before. Call me brazen but I believe I can imagine the advanced world that will exist post Apple wireless earbuds, dual beaming microphones and all. You seem really impassioned about for a product that you also haven't used and the media has generally laughed at and dismissed. You also didn't actually respond to my main point about them, that Siri never delivered on its value proposition. If it had, it might be considered a great product.
  - joemi 10y ago
    > You seem really impassioned about for a product that you also haven't used and the media has generally laughed at and dismissed. I didn't read it as being for a product, but instead, against people being against it without having tried it. Granted, it's certainly possible to be against something without having tried it (for instance, I've never broken a bone in my body, but I'm pretty confident in my stance against ever wanting to do it), but when it comes to something like how well a new microphone works, it's really hard to say without having tried it and without having anybody else who's tried to it rely on. Relying on the media you've read that "laughed at and dismissed" it isn't relying on much at all, until it's actually released and properly reviewed.
- obmelvin 10y ago
  He is referring to the fact that a mic with poor speech to text models isn't that helpful. Which is not made up, Apple is definitely behind Google (and perhaps others) in the accuracy of their mobile speech to text.
- vonmoltke 10y ago
  > dual beam-forming mics What is a "beam-forming" microphone? Beam forming is a function of active RF elements. How is a sound-frequency receiver able to do it?
  - dharma1 10y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamforming#Beamforming_for_speech_audio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamforming#Beamforming_for_sp...
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jonathankoren 10y ago
> Apple can't figure out that I don't want to say 'ducking' after hundreds of times of dismissing it with their keyboard. Or they can predict, but don't because it's a swear word and it's a product decision. Apple's historical secrecy does hurt them here. However, they have taken the stance to not slurp everything up and pack it off to the mothership like Google, which I understand has led to some interesting work on resource constrained models (since it has to run on your device) and data anonymization.
- Bud 10y ago
  All you have to do is type "fucking" ONCE, then tap the word "fucking" in quotes, on the left-hand side of the suggestions/corrections bar, and the word is learned as an acceptable dictionary word. Permanently. Forever. And that persists when you change devices. Anyone feigning ignorance of this feature at this point just isn't trying very hard.
  - jonathankoren 10y ago
    That explains how "fuckery" ended up in my dictionary

by Ros2 10y ago

konspence 10y ago

They recently acquired an AI/ML startup called Turi - I think they see the need to remain competitive. http://www.geekwire.com/2016/exclusive-apple-acquires-turi-major-exit-seattle-based-machine-learning-ai-startup/ http://www.geekwire.com/2016/exclusive-apple-acquires-turi-m...

Bud 10y ago

Uh, you're just making this up. You have no idea whether the "microphone" (by the way, for those who are not fact-averse, it's dual beam-forming mics) in the new wireless earbuds is "laughable". They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. By the way, it's actually very easy to teach Apple's devices the word "fucking". You haven't figured it out yet, but that doesn't make it Apple's fault. Did you try Googling it yet or spending five seconds figuring it out yet? I can assure you, I'm quite able to use any profanity I want on Apple's devices; they learned about my inclination towards profanity years ago and have flawlessly handled it since.

Ros2 10y ago
>They aren't even released yet. You've never tried them. You have no idea whatsoever. This is a funny assertion. I've used a microphone before, I've used headphones before, and I've used Siri before. Call me brazen but I believe I can imagine the advanced world that will exist post Apple wireless earbuds, dual beaming microphones and all. You seem really impassioned about for a product that you also haven't used and the media has generally laughed at and dismissed. You also didn't actually respond to my main point about them, that Siri never delivered on its value proposition. If it had, it might be considered a great product.
- joemi 10y ago
  > You seem really impassioned about for a product that you also haven't used and the media has generally laughed at and dismissed. I didn't read it as being for a product, but instead, against people being against it without having tried it. Granted, it's certainly possible to be against something without having tried it (for instance, I've never broken a bone in my body, but I'm pretty confident in my stance against ever wanting to do it), but when it comes to something like how well a new microphone works, it's really hard to say without having tried it and without having anybody else who's tried to it rely on. Relying on the media you've read that "laughed at and dismissed" it isn't relying on much at all, until it's actually released and properly reviewed.
obmelvin 10y ago
He is referring to the fact that a mic with poor speech to text models isn't that helpful. Which is not made up, Apple is definitely behind Google (and perhaps others) in the accuracy of their mobile speech to text.
vonmoltke 10y ago
> dual beam-forming mics What is a "beam-forming" microphone? Beam forming is a function of active RF elements. How is a sound-frequency receiver able to do it?
- dharma1 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamforming#Beamforming_for_speech_audio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamforming#Beamforming_for_sp...
- deleted 10y ago
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jonathankoren 10y ago

> Apple can't figure out that I don't want to say 'ducking' after hundreds of times of dismissing it with their keyboard. Or they can predict, but don't because it's a swear word and it's a product decision. Apple's historical secrecy does hurt them here. However, they have taken the stance to not slurp everything up and pack it off to the mothership like Google, which I understand has led to some interesting work on resource constrained models (since it has to run on your device) and data anonymization.

Bud 10y ago
All you have to do is type "fucking" ONCE, then tap the word "fucking" in quotes, on the left-hand side of the suggestions/corrections bar, and the word is learned as an acceptable dictionary word. Permanently. Forever. And that persists when you change devices. Anyone feigning ignorance of this feature at this point just isn't trying very hard.
- jonathankoren 10y ago
  That explains how "fuckery" ended up in my dictionary