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Honestly this comment reads like an emotional outburst, by someone who has zero clue about the domain. Its very well known fact in AI/ML community, that Apple
by aub3bhat 10y ago
Honestly this comment reads like an emotional outburst, by someone who has zero clue about the domain.
Its very well known fact in AI/ML community, that Apple has almost little or no talent nor do they have any major efforts at organizational level (E.g. FAIR at FB, MSR, Brain & Deep Mind at Google).
>> But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead.
LOL where did you get this from? I am pretty sure that Google NTM which was put in production yesterday is the state of the art.
Also there are metrics e.g. in the report released yesterday you can find BLEU scores on WMT 2014 tasks, and the clear conclusion is that Google is way ahead. Also when it comes to Imagenet or Coco challenges, I don't think Apple has competed in any let alone placing anywhere at top, while FB, MSR and Google all have had top models.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.08144v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.08144v1.pdf
>> but the popular press is not discerning enough to make heads or tales out of what they report on, and they end up mis-educating the public.
Sorry you are wrong, the sad reality (for Apple), is that they are truly 3-4 years behind FB, MSFT & Google.
- aleeds 10y ago"But in Machine Translation, Apple is ahead." was an example of a statement that could be made if metrics existed, he is not asserting that that is true.
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- aub3bhat 10y agoI assumed that he was asserting it to be true, because as my updated comments shows, the metrics do exist. But Apple neither releases them nor does it discloses the architecture/technology (if any) used.
- phodo 10y agoAs others have mentioned, you are completely wrong in your assumptions. It is you who shows zero clue in reading comprehension and communication. I'm well aware of the benchmarks used by industry and academia. I've been working in the industry for many years, including multiple ML-based products used commercially and running in production serving a large number of customers. Machine translation was just an example, and there was no assertion that company A is better than B; I was in no way "asserting it to be true". I was merely providing an illustrative example to highlight the fact that * popular press * articles about ml, such as this one, are quick with subjective opinion, without providing in writing the necessary citation and metrics to back their claims. Furthermore, they do so at a generalized level, without going into specific subdomains. My initial post was intended as a constructive comment, so take it as such.
- aub3bhat 10y agoLOL Dude its "popular press" for a reason, otherwise they would be called "technical journals". And frankly how can you be so clueless about Apple's lack of efforts in AI/ML if you claim to be member of the community.
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- throwanem 10y agoI'm not sure that "Apple is behind" follows from "Apple doesn't publicize".