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I agree with your reason, however for me they get outweighed by other factors. If I am a maintainer of a popular distribution, I want my distro to have the best

by georgyo 10y ago

I agree with your reason, however for me they get outweighed by other factors. If I am a maintainer of a popular distribution, I want my distro to have the best init system, and I want that init system to have the largest user base. EL6 and its derivatives was upstart, debian and its derivatives was upstart. The vast majority of linux systems were upstart for a long period of time. Other systems did not switch to upstart, because it introduced headache. Switching init systems requires quite a bit of work. The fact that they all switched to systemd shows that beyond political pressure, they needed a better system.

fapjacks 10y ago
The choice that was put before the Debian TC was literally "Should we use systemd instead of sysvinit" and did not consider any of the many other init systems. In fact, a motion was put forward to the Debian TC to consider other init systems, and guess what? Pro-systemd TC members pointed to the original motion ("Should we use systemd instead of sysvinit") as the reason not to consider other init systems. That is pretty much as political as it gets.
- Aeolos 10y ago
  For the record, this post is completely false, as even a cursory glance at the relevant Debian bug report will prove: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#6729 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#672... We exercise our power to decide in cases of overlapping jurisdiction (6.1.2) by asserting that the default init system for Linux architectures in jessie should be D systemd U upstart O openrc V sysvinit (no change) F requires further discussion [...] Therefore, the resolution reads: We exercise our power to decide in cases of overlapping jurisdiction (6.1.2) by asserting that the default init system for Linux architectures in jessie should be systemd.
jude- 10y ago
I don't think the distro maintainers had that much say, since the most popular Linux desktop software began to depend on it. It started with GNOME, and now KDE is on its way. This basically forces their hand--if they want to provide a good out-of-the-box experience, they either have to switch to systemd, or continuously fight upstream's patches.
regularfry 10y ago
That's not my recollection. Upstart was an Ubuntu project, Debian never adopted it. Red Hat picked up upstart, then Poettering managed to convince them that they'd be better off with one they controlled. Somehow that filtered back through to Debian, and they jumped straight to systemd from sysvinit. At no point was it necessary for systemd to actually be better than upstart at being an init system. It just had to be bigger by the time it got to Debian.

by georgyo 10y ago

fapjacks 10y ago

The choice that was put before the Debian TC was literally "Should we use systemd instead of sysvinit" and did not consider any of the many other init systems. In fact, a motion was put forward to the Debian TC to consider other init systems, and guess what? Pro-systemd TC members pointed to the original motion ("Should we use systemd instead of sysvinit") as the reason not to consider other init systems. That is pretty much as political as it gets.

Aeolos 10y ago
For the record, this post is completely false, as even a cursory glance at the relevant Debian bug report will prove: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#6729 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#672... We exercise our power to decide in cases of overlapping jurisdiction (6.1.2) by asserting that the default init system for Linux architectures in jessie should be D systemd U upstart O openrc V sysvinit (no change) F requires further discussion [...] Therefore, the resolution reads: We exercise our power to decide in cases of overlapping jurisdiction (6.1.2) by asserting that the default init system for Linux architectures in jessie should be systemd.

jude- 10y ago

I don't think the distro maintainers had that much say, since the most popular Linux desktop software began to depend on it. It started with GNOME, and now KDE is on its way. This basically forces their hand--if they want to provide a good out-of-the-box experience, they either have to switch to systemd, or continuously fight upstream's patches.

regularfry 10y ago

That's not my recollection. Upstart was an Ubuntu project, Debian never adopted it. Red Hat picked up upstart, then Poettering managed to convince them that they'd be better off with one they controlled. Somehow that filtered back through to Debian, and they jumped straight to systemd from sysvinit. At no point was it necessary for systemd to actually be better than upstart at being an init system. It just had to be bigger by the time it got to Debian.