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The bar for "allowed to vote" is very different from "allowed to reset a cellphone account". One needs to never block any legal voter from voting, the other ca

by Kadin 10y ago

The bar for "allowed to vote" is very different from "allowed to reset a cellphone account". One needs to never block any legal voter from voting, the other can be a balance between ease of access and ease of fraud. I would be very cautious conflating the two cases, because they are very different.

21 10y ago
So what happens if as a non-US citizen which just happens to be around voting day I enter a voting station and ask to vote (and obviously lie about my identity)
- hx87 10y ago
  You'd have to know who to impersonate, successfully impersonate them (i.e. good luck trying to impersonate DeWayne Jamal Jones as an Ukrainian) and where (and on what date) they are supposed to vote, and for all that work you have affected all of one vote.
- bhandziuk 10y ago
  You'll probably get to cast a vote. But this is so rare. The rate of true voter fraud is so exceptionally low and the kind of fraud that voter ID laws are supposed to stop is even lower still that it's just not worth it.
- toast0 10y ago
  In order to cast enough votes to affect most elections, you would need a large number of votes. The more fraudulent votes you cast, the more likely you'll hit a voter that already voted. If there's a significant volume of double vote attempts, that's a big red flag.
- x0x0 10y ago
  Not to mention it's a felony and it will be prosecuted. In your situation, you would almost surely have to know an already-registered voter's name and address -- I'm not aware of any states that let you register on the spot without government id. Many people don't register, and it's not automatic, so that's already an obstacle. Also, the log books your voting location maintain get marked when a registered citizen votes. So if the voter you impersonated comes and votes later, your impersonation will be discovered.

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The bar for "allowed to vote" is very different from "allowed to reset a cellphone account". One needs to never block any legal voter from voting, the other ca

by Kadin 10y ago

21 10y ago
So what happens if as a non-US citizen which just happens to be around voting day I enter a voting station and ask to vote (and obviously lie about my identity)
- hx87 10y ago
  You'd have to know who to impersonate, successfully impersonate them (i.e. good luck trying to impersonate DeWayne Jamal Jones as an Ukrainian) and where (and on what date) they are supposed to vote, and for all that work you have affected all of one vote.
- bhandziuk 10y ago
  You'll probably get to cast a vote. But this is so rare. The rate of true voter fraud is so exceptionally low and the kind of fraud that voter ID laws are supposed to stop is even lower still that it's just not worth it.
- toast0 10y ago
  In order to cast enough votes to affect most elections, you would need a large number of votes. The more fraudulent votes you cast, the more likely you'll hit a voter that already voted. If there's a significant volume of double vote attempts, that's a big red flag.
- x0x0 10y ago
  Not to mention it's a felony and it will be prosecuted. In your situation, you would almost surely have to know an already-registered voter's name and address -- I'm not aware of any states that let you register on the spot without government id. Many people don't register, and it's not automatic, so that's already an obstacle. Also, the log books your voting location maintain get marked when a registered citizen votes. So if the voter you impersonated comes and votes later, your impersonation will be discovered.