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> tailgating a self driving car makes it pull over, everyone on the road will do it. If a honk makes it pull over, everyone on the road will do it. Tailgatin

> tailgating a self driving car makes it pull over, everyone on the road will do it. If a honk makes it pull over, everyone on the road will do it. Tailgating is illegal in most of the US. Same for non-emergency honking. Those laws are never enforced, of course, which I think is a shame. Especially non-emergency honking, and especially in cities. Hopefully assholes exploiting the conservative driving behavior of autonomous vehicles will lead to law enforcement regularly enforcing these sorts of safety&civility laws. > where not everyone is a college educated rich HN user Anecdotally, I haven't noticed that dangerous and aggressive driving is strongly associated with education level or income. I pretty regularly encounter dangerous assholes with "university of blah" stickers on their car.

ben_jones 10y ago
Have you ever driven on a busy road way before? Police cannot, and arguably should not have the ability to, monitor drivers 100% of the time. For the most part they are forced to resort to what can be considered scare tactics just to place the idea in driver's heads that they might be caught. The idea that doubling, tripling, quadrupling, or whatever is necessary, police activity will enable autonomous drivers is absurd.
- wongarsu 10y ago
  >Police cannot, and arguably should not have the ability to, monitor drivers 100% of the time. Police can't catch 100% of any violation or crime, and they don't have to. We can't completely prevent any behaviour, but we can reduce it to the desired level with the right combination of risk of punishment and severity of punishment. Right now the risk of punishment for non-emergency honking is so close to zero that most drivers seem to have forgotten that it's illegal at all.
  - throwaway729 10y ago
    > most drivers seem to have forgotten that it's illegal at all And many police officers, for that matter...
- throwaway729 10y ago
  > Have you ever driven on a busy road way before? Yes, on a regular basis. Have you ever tried reporting a dangerous or aggressive driver to the police? > Police cannot, and arguably should not have the ability to, monitor drivers 100% of the time They should, and ability is only a matter of time. There is no right to being an asshole in a large, loud, dangerous machine. > For the most part they are forced to resort to what can be considered scare tactics just to place the idea in driver's heads that they might be caught. For the most part, they do nothing at all. > The idea that doubling, tripling, quadrupling, or whatever is necessary, police activity will enable autonomous drivers is absurd. You don't need to increase police activity at all. Police just need to care and process evidence provided by autonomous vehicle companies (or, hell, by citizens).
  - hx87 10y ago
    > You don't need to increase police activity at all. Police just need to care and process evidence provided by autonomous vehicle companies (or, hell, by citizens). We can give them (especially the rural and small-town ones) one hell of an incentive by banning speed limit enforcement, or at least confiscating all revenue from speeding tickets, while leaving enforcement of other infractions unencumbered.
Animats 10y ago
"Hopefully assholes exploiting the conservative driving behavior of autonomous vehicles will lead to law enforcement regularly enforcing these sorts of safety&civility laws." The Cloud will take care of that. Autonomous vehicles will submit video, LIDAR, and radar data of human drivers being assholes to their manufacturer. The manufacturer will analyze the data, summarize it, extract clean still images of the worst behavior, the car license plate, and the driver's face, and send a report to a bad-driver clearinghouse. The clearinghouse will look up license plates, do face recognition on drivers against their Facebook profile, identify the policy-issuing company involved, and send them a data update. The policy-issuing company will send a note to the asshole, with pictures, telling them not to do that and that their rate just went up. Most of this is already deployed. Half the drivers in the Bay Area have already been rated by Nexar's AI from dashcam data in Ubers.[1] [1] http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sensors/the-ai-dashcam-app-that-wants-to-rate-every-driver-in-the-world http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sens...
- xkcd-sucks 10y ago
  We're all soldiers in the War on Bad Driving

ben_jones 10y ago

Have you ever driven on a busy road way before? Police cannot, and arguably should not have the ability to, monitor drivers 100% of the time. For the most part they are forced to resort to what can be considered scare tactics just to place the idea in driver's heads that they might be caught. The idea that doubling, tripling, quadrupling, or whatever is necessary, police activity will enable autonomous drivers is absurd.

wongarsu 10y ago
>Police cannot, and arguably should not have the ability to, monitor drivers 100% of the time. Police can't catch 100% of any violation or crime, and they don't have to. We can't completely prevent any behaviour, but we can reduce it to the desired level with the right combination of risk of punishment and severity of punishment. Right now the risk of punishment for non-emergency honking is so close to zero that most drivers seem to have forgotten that it's illegal at all.
- throwaway729 10y ago
  > most drivers seem to have forgotten that it's illegal at all And many police officers, for that matter...
throwaway729 10y ago
> Have you ever driven on a busy road way before? Yes, on a regular basis. Have you ever tried reporting a dangerous or aggressive driver to the police? > Police cannot, and arguably should not have the ability to, monitor drivers 100% of the time They should, and ability is only a matter of time. There is no right to being an asshole in a large, loud, dangerous machine. > For the most part they are forced to resort to what can be considered scare tactics just to place the idea in driver's heads that they might be caught. For the most part, they do nothing at all. > The idea that doubling, tripling, quadrupling, or whatever is necessary, police activity will enable autonomous drivers is absurd. You don't need to increase police activity at all. Police just need to care and process evidence provided by autonomous vehicle companies (or, hell, by citizens).
- hx87 10y ago
  > You don't need to increase police activity at all. Police just need to care and process evidence provided by autonomous vehicle companies (or, hell, by citizens). We can give them (especially the rural and small-town ones) one hell of an incentive by banning speed limit enforcement, or at least confiscating all revenue from speeding tickets, while leaving enforcement of other infractions unencumbered.

Animats 10y ago

"Hopefully assholes exploiting the conservative driving behavior of autonomous vehicles will lead to law enforcement regularly enforcing these sorts of safety&civility laws." The Cloud will take care of that. Autonomous vehicles will submit video, LIDAR, and radar data of human drivers being assholes to their manufacturer. The manufacturer will analyze the data, summarize it, extract clean still images of the worst behavior, the car license plate, and the driver's face, and send a report to a bad-driver clearinghouse. The clearinghouse will look up license plates, do face recognition on drivers against their Facebook profile, identify the policy-issuing company involved, and send them a data update. The policy-issuing company will send a note to the asshole, with pictures, telling them not to do that and that their rate just went up. Most of this is already deployed. Half the drivers in the Bay Area have already been rated by Nexar's AI from dashcam data in Ubers.[1] [1] http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sensors/the-ai-dashcam-app-that-wants-to-rate-every-driver-in-the-world http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sens...

xkcd-sucks 10y ago
We're all soldiers in the War on Bad Driving