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And then there will be laws that make this illegal. Plus the car will probably be taking video of the infraction. Hell, if everyone driving self-driving cars r

by ctrl-j 10y ago

And then there will be laws that make this illegal. Plus the car will probably be taking video of the infraction. Hell, if everyone driving self-driving cars reduces the 38k deaths and 4.4 million injuries, then it's possibly that eventually it will be illegal to drive. At the very least, I would expect there to be autonomous-only roads - and you'll have to pay higher insurance premiums to manually drive a car.

seibelj 10y ago
If every self driving car drives like a grandma (which they will be legally required to do, I assume), they will not be allowed to ruin the commute of Bostonians. Why do you think there are zero red light cameras in Boston, despite an epidemic of running red lights? The voters here are very particular regarding driving.
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- CalRobert 10y ago
  Vehicles driving like grandmothers would probably be an improvement. Lower speeds can increase total throughput, as can fewer rapid changes in velocity.
  - seibelj 10y ago
    I'm not arguing about the objective benefits in safety. I'm arguing that your average Joe is not going to let the nerds create a huge hassle for everyone too poor / not wanting a self driving car. This is a social issue.
    - throwaway729 10y ago
      > Joe is not going to let the nerds create a huge hassle for everyone too poor / not wanting a self driving car. CalRobert's point is that aggressive driving isn't rational, because cooperative behavior at lower speeds often increases total throughput in congested areas. That point is completely independent of autonomous vs. non-autonomous driving. > This is a social issue. Social issues aren't insurmountable. Driving behavior can be changed. For example, I've noticed over the past few years that people tend to be far more likely to behave in the optimal way when merging at a closed lane when there's a sign explaining that everyone should use both lanes until the last moment.
      - ghaff 10y ago
        Signage that promotes late merging is sort of a special case though. You're basically telling people that it's OK to do what everyone wants to do anyway but don't because 1.) They think they'll look like an asshole if they do and/or 2.) They'll likely promote various dangerous and aggressive behaviors in others against the person "cutting in line." While I generally agree that driving behaviors are social issues they can also be pretty deeply rooted. It's hard to turn Manhattan or Boston drivers into laid back drivers somewhere in the rural South.
        hx87 10y ago
        Rural Southern drivers are hardly safer than Boston drivers though; jacked up bro trucks with ignorant, inattentive drivers aren't exactly a recipe for safety.
      - new_hackers 10y ago
        Cooperative behavior is the best for throughput, however it can lead to deadlocks. Competitive behavior slows overall throughput, but helps eliminate deadlocks in the system.
- drak0n1c 10y ago
  If most cars on the road are self-driving, traffic will move a lot faster (assuming that laws allow them to go fast). Stop and go traffic is the result of human latency, over-acceleration, over-braking, and inattention.

by ctrl-j 10y ago

seibelj 10y ago

If every self driving car drives like a grandma (which they will be legally required to do, I assume), they will not be allowed to ruin the commute of Bostonians. Why do you think there are zero red light cameras in Boston, despite an epidemic of running red lights? The voters here are very particular regarding driving.

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CalRobert 10y ago
Vehicles driving like grandmothers would probably be an improvement. Lower speeds can increase total throughput, as can fewer rapid changes in velocity.
- seibelj 10y ago
  I'm not arguing about the objective benefits in safety. I'm arguing that your average Joe is not going to let the nerds create a huge hassle for everyone too poor / not wanting a self driving car. This is a social issue.
  - throwaway729 10y ago
    > Joe is not going to let the nerds create a huge hassle for everyone too poor / not wanting a self driving car. CalRobert's point is that aggressive driving isn't rational, because cooperative behavior at lower speeds often increases total throughput in congested areas. That point is completely independent of autonomous vs. non-autonomous driving. > This is a social issue. Social issues aren't insurmountable. Driving behavior can be changed. For example, I've noticed over the past few years that people tend to be far more likely to behave in the optimal way when merging at a closed lane when there's a sign explaining that everyone should use both lanes until the last moment.
    - ghaff 10y ago
      Signage that promotes late merging is sort of a special case though. You're basically telling people that it's OK to do what everyone wants to do anyway but don't because 1.) They think they'll look like an asshole if they do and/or 2.) They'll likely promote various dangerous and aggressive behaviors in others against the person "cutting in line." While I generally agree that driving behaviors are social issues they can also be pretty deeply rooted. It's hard to turn Manhattan or Boston drivers into laid back drivers somewhere in the rural South.
      - hx87 10y ago
        Rural Southern drivers are hardly safer than Boston drivers though; jacked up bro trucks with ignorant, inattentive drivers aren't exactly a recipe for safety.
    - new_hackers 10y ago
      Cooperative behavior is the best for throughput, however it can lead to deadlocks. Competitive behavior slows overall throughput, but helps eliminate deadlocks in the system.
drak0n1c 10y ago
If most cars on the road are self-driving, traffic will move a lot faster (assuming that laws allow them to go fast). Stop and go traffic is the result of human latency, over-acceleration, over-braking, and inattention.