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I totally agree with you. No one really seems to be able to explain this.

by kukac 10y ago

CJefferson 10y ago
There are many programme to try to increase male elementary school teachers, you just don't hang around on elementary school related forums.
- kukac 10y ago
  Okay, that's actually great to know, but I am yet to see feminists fighting to get more females into other male-dominated jobs that are not as well-paid as software engineering.
  - Tan__ 10y ago
    Have you tried looking? There are plenty of programs encouraging women to go into non-traditional jobs.
    - mzw_mzw 10y ago
      Such as? What are these programs encouraging women to become garbage collectors or construction workers or miners, and on the same scale as the endlessly hyped women-in-tech initiatives?
      - Tan__ 10y ago
        http://www.womenintoconstruction.org/whoweare http://www.womenintoconstruction.org/whoweare http://www.hays.co.uk/job/construction-property-jobs/insights/women-in-construction/ http://www.hays.co.uk/job/construction-property-jobs/insight... https://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/nontra2008.htm https://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/nontra2008.htm http://www.new-nyc.org/ http://www.new-nyc.org/ http://www.learnhowtobecome.org/underrepresented-careers-for-women/ http://www.learnhowtobecome.org/underrepresented-careers-for...
- belorn 10y ago
  The Swedish institute for higher education made a study that looked at the teaching profession, and their conclusion was perfectly clear on this. There are barely any programme to increase the number of male teachers, and this was in stark contrast to the long history of programs to get more women into tech and engineering. They suggested that teaching universities, who just now are beginning to address the lack male students should look at the programs for women for inspiration and ideas in how to build similar program towards men. But surely you have references that show those "many programme" and that the number of initatives to get men interested (and to remain once enrolled) is identical to the number of similar programs to get women into STEM. Or maybe it just Sweden with its self defined feminist government thats are backwards on this.
  - CJefferson 10y ago
    This is moving the goalposts from the post I originally replied to. I have no idea of the relative number of initiatives in different areas. The idea that men need pushing more into some industries is a newer idea, and it wouldn't suprise me if it is further behind. However, that wouldn't be a reason to have less "women in tech" movements, just more "men in X" movements too -- it's not like the same people would be doing both anyway I imagine.

I totally agree with you. No one really seems to be able to explain this.

by kukac 10y ago

I totally agree with you. No one really seems to be able to explain this.

There are many programme to try to increase male elementary school teachers, you just don't hang around on elementary school related forums.

kukac 10y ago
Okay, that's actually great to know, but I am yet to see feminists fighting to get more females into other male-dominated jobs that are not as well-paid as software engineering.
- Tan__ 10y ago
  Have you tried looking? There are plenty of programs encouraging women to go into non-traditional jobs.
  - mzw_mzw 10y ago
    Such as? What are these programs encouraging women to become garbage collectors or construction workers or miners, and on the same scale as the endlessly hyped women-in-tech initiatives?
    - Tan__ 10y ago
      http://www.womenintoconstruction.org/whoweare http://www.womenintoconstruction.org/whoweare http://www.hays.co.uk/job/construction-property-jobs/insights/women-in-construction/ http://www.hays.co.uk/job/construction-property-jobs/insight... https://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/nontra2008.htm https://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/nontra2008.htm http://www.new-nyc.org/ http://www.new-nyc.org/ http://www.learnhowtobecome.org/underrepresented-careers-for-women/ http://www.learnhowtobecome.org/underrepresented-careers-for...
belorn 10y ago
The Swedish institute for higher education made a study that looked at the teaching profession, and their conclusion was perfectly clear on this. There are barely any programme to increase the number of male teachers, and this was in stark contrast to the long history of programs to get more women into tech and engineering. They suggested that teaching universities, who just now are beginning to address the lack male students should look at the programs for women for inspiration and ideas in how to build similar program towards men. But surely you have references that show those "many programme" and that the number of initatives to get men interested (and to remain once enrolled) is identical to the number of similar programs to get women into STEM. Or maybe it just Sweden with its self defined feminist government thats are backwards on this.
- CJefferson 10y ago
  This is moving the goalposts from the post I originally replied to. I have no idea of the relative number of initiatives in different areas. The idea that men need pushing more into some industries is a newer idea, and it wouldn't suprise me if it is further behind. However, that wouldn't be a reason to have less "women in tech" movements, just more "men in X" movements too -- it's not like the same people would be doing both anyway I imagine.