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I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same

I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career. I started programming in late 90s but not professionally until 2006 I think, this was probably the late phase of transition to internet as a dominant factor in computing - so I think it gave me enough perspective as to how things changed, plus talking to older developers, reading stuff online and on the forums I know we've come a loong way as an industry.

coldtea 10y ago
>I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career. Or you just don't like management / like programming?
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  My last two jobs I got hired for, I said while interviewing that it was my explicit career goal to never become a manager.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    Yeah, I had some chances, but never liked the role of the pointy haired boss. On the other hand, I don't like having to suffer stupid enterprise project managers either, though in my line of work it's better than the norm (more startup-y -- heck, we are at 100 people or so and our founder/boss still codes like crazy, same for the CTO). I think the ideal for our kind of persons is having your own company -- either an one person one, or a bigger outfit but with someone else handling the marketing and finance parts. You get to both program and chose what and how to deliver.
pmoriarty 10y ago
"I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career." Not everybody's interested in climbing the corporate ladder or in architecture, management, or consulting. Some people are content to be senior engineers. "we've come a loong way as an industry" The industry has certainly changed a lot, but if you keep your skills up to date, that's not going to be an issue.
codeonfire 10y ago
Typical ageist bullshit. Your argument is if someone is good at something then they are probably not doing it anymore. Newsflash, you were moved out of dev because you have some issue. Most people avoid "architects" which is code for cranky bastard who can't be fired but is likely breaking lots of stuff in the codebase and generally making things bad for the devs of all ages.
- cunac 10y ago
  I guess latest code review didn't go well ?
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coldtea 10y ago

>I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career. Or you just don't like management / like programming?

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
My last two jobs I got hired for, I said while interviewing that it was my explicit career goal to never become a manager.
- coldtea 10y ago
  Yeah, I had some chances, but never liked the role of the pointy haired boss. On the other hand, I don't like having to suffer stupid enterprise project managers either, though in my line of work it's better than the norm (more startup-y -- heck, we are at 100 people or so and our founder/boss still codes like crazy, same for the CTO). I think the ideal for our kind of persons is having your own company -- either an one person one, or a bigger outfit but with someone else handling the marketing and finance parts. You get to both program and chose what and how to deliver.

pmoriarty 10y ago

"I mean if you were a good dev in the 90s chances are right now you're in some senior architect/management/consultant position. If you're competing for the same jobs as 20 something devs then you've probably screwed up somewhere in your career." Not everybody's interested in climbing the corporate ladder or in architecture, management, or consulting. Some people are content to be senior engineers. "we've come a loong way as an industry" The industry has certainly changed a lot, but if you keep your skills up to date, that's not going to be an issue.

codeonfire 10y ago

Typical ageist bullshit. Your argument is if someone is good at something then they are probably not doing it anymore. Newsflash, you were moved out of dev because you have some issue. Most people avoid "architects" which is code for cranky bastard who can't be fired but is likely breaking lots of stuff in the codebase and generally making things bad for the devs of all ages.

cunac 10y ago
I guess latest code review didn't go well ?

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