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Yep. I've been increasingly disappointed in Apple's OS X releases. Not even considering this upgrade for a point release, at least. And they're doing a very goo

by __jal 10y ago

Yep. I've been increasingly disappointed in Apple's OS X releases. Not even considering this upgrade for a point release, at least. And they're doing a very good job of promoting third party replacements for their own apps... For a while, I thought they were chasing IOS marketshare hard, and would come back to fixing the desktop. But I'm beginning to wonder if that isn't the intent; I'm sure the 30k-foot-view financials says OS X is now the second-class product. The problem is that OS X is the generative platform. Writers and programmers and musicians and designers and artists use Macs to produce. And a lot of these folks (me included) are getting restless. I'll be fine - honestly, I only own one OS X box today, and my main personal desktop is Linux. I'd be annoyed for a while if I had to switch to a Linux laptop, but vim is portable, and if they continue to baby-proof the OS at the expense of automation and traditional Unix tools, it will be less annoying that staying put. If the plan is to bring iOS to the point where, say, Ableton and Pro Tools runs sufficiently well there, then they better get on that before the OS where those tools do run rots out from under them. And if that isn't the plan, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be very curious to know what it is.

javajosh 10y ago
The problem is that OS X is the generative platform If your "only iOS matters" hypothesis is correct than Apple only cares about generative OSX for generating iOS apps. That means keeping XCode working at all costs, and they can safely ignore every other use. I suspect that they understand that apart from students using Pages to write papers, MS and Google own the office productivity space. The only remaining code to write are highly proprietary front-ends and the occasional mega-backend.
- delinka 10y ago
  Have you seen Swift Playgrounds for iOS? I wonder, seriously, if that's not the start of Apple's attempt to put software dev on iOS. No, it's certainly not capable now, but in five years?
  - 72deluxe 10y ago
    Please no!!! iOS is like a toy compared to macOS.
jseliger 10y ago
I think the simpler answer is that Apple stopped caring about "pro" apps/users quite a while ago and that it is unlikely to start again in the near future. Video people have moved to Adobe Premier on Windows; photography people have ditched the depreciated Aperture for Lightroom (maybe supplemented with Dark Table); and now music people will have their turn.
- brusch64 10y ago
  I was pretty surprised, when I found out that Tom Holkenborg (Junkie XL, Composer of the film music for the new Mad Max movie) was using a Windows PC in his studio. Maybe more and more are moving from Apple hardware back to Windows hardware. Altough you still see most of the people using MacBooks for their live acts.
  - brusch64 10y ago
    This was the video I was talking about: Template setup and workstation layout with Junkie XL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB1twfL5b28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB1twfL5b28
  - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
    I've been really torn about upgrading my music computer. On the one hand I hugely prefer macOS over Windows. But macOS now has regular showstopper bugs that simply shouldn't be there - like the issue with AU validation, and a bug in Yosemite that made it impossible to connect more than a small number of USB devices. Also, the Mac Pro is so poorly specified it's competing with it's own predecessors. It makes more sense to buy an ancient "cheesegrater" 5,1 Pro and upgrade it with a new processor than to buy the new Darth Waste Bin model - not just because of the basic spec and performance, but because the new Pro has no PCIe slots, some popular high-end music hardware comes on PCIe cards, and adding an external PCIe/Thunderbolt card cage doubles the cost. Windows actually has a broader range of VSTs available than macOS. So I'm not surprised pro users are switching to Windows. I don't love the idea, but if Apple can't offer the performance the market needs, users have no choice but to switch.

by __jal 10y ago

javajosh 10y ago

The problem is that OS X is the generative platform If your "only iOS matters" hypothesis is correct than Apple only cares about generative OSX for generating iOS apps. That means keeping XCode working at all costs, and they can safely ignore every other use. I suspect that they understand that apart from students using Pages to write papers, MS and Google own the office productivity space. The only remaining code to write are highly proprietary front-ends and the occasional mega-backend.

delinka 10y ago
Have you seen Swift Playgrounds for iOS? I wonder, seriously, if that's not the start of Apple's attempt to put software dev on iOS. No, it's certainly not capable now, but in five years?
- 72deluxe 10y ago
  Please no!!! iOS is like a toy compared to macOS.

jseliger 10y ago

I think the simpler answer is that Apple stopped caring about "pro" apps/users quite a while ago and that it is unlikely to start again in the near future. Video people have moved to Adobe Premier on Windows; photography people have ditched the depreciated Aperture for Lightroom (maybe supplemented with Dark Table); and now music people will have their turn.

brusch64 10y ago
I was pretty surprised, when I found out that Tom Holkenborg (Junkie XL, Composer of the film music for the new Mad Max movie) was using a Windows PC in his studio. Maybe more and more are moving from Apple hardware back to Windows hardware. Altough you still see most of the people using MacBooks for their live acts.
- brusch64 10y ago
  This was the video I was talking about: Template setup and workstation layout with Junkie XL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB1twfL5b28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB1twfL5b28
- TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
  I've been really torn about upgrading my music computer. On the one hand I hugely prefer macOS over Windows. But macOS now has regular showstopper bugs that simply shouldn't be there - like the issue with AU validation, and a bug in Yosemite that made it impossible to connect more than a small number of USB devices. Also, the Mac Pro is so poorly specified it's competing with it's own predecessors. It makes more sense to buy an ancient "cheesegrater" 5,1 Pro and upgrade it with a new processor than to buy the new Darth Waste Bin model - not just because of the basic spec and performance, but because the new Pro has no PCIe slots, some popular high-end music hardware comes on PCIe cards, and adding an external PCIe/Thunderbolt card cage doubles the cost. Windows actually has a broader range of VSTs available than macOS. So I'm not surprised pro users are switching to Windows. I don't love the idea, but if Apple can't offer the performance the market needs, users have no choice but to switch.