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Why can't you remove all unnecessary components from the IDE? For me VS 2008 with Resharper makes no problems at all on my 4GB Ram desktop with loads of other c

by alexro 17y ago

Why can't you remove all unnecessary components from the IDE? For me VS 2008 with Resharper makes no problems at all on my 4GB Ram desktop with loads of other crap running in parallel.

alexro 17y ago
I even start 2-3 copies of the IDE sometimes when doing work on several projects. EDIT: wanted to ADD and didn't notice I was replying to myself
- rbanffy 17y ago
  You can always delete a post.
rbanffy 17y ago
Because "bloated" is still bloated, regardless of how much memory and processing speed you have at your disposal. It's much like a 200 Kg fat man driving a bus. He is still fat. That said, I once thought Emacs was bloated. Now, it's quite nimble compared to other programming tools.
- bad_user 17y ago
  A 200kg fat man can drive a bus just fine ;) On Emacs ... you still have to pay attention to the loaded extensions, and if you've got dozens of them (especially the Jdee extension, with all the dependencies) it can be as bloated as a full IDE (and it shows in startup times).
  - jefffoster 17y ago
    As a side note, you could run Emacs in daemon mode and connect to it with the client. See http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/02/emacs-daemon.html http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/02/emacs-daemon.html for more details. This way you only have to pay the startup cost once.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    Emacs runs comfortably on my netbook. I seriously doubt Visual Studio 2005 would be able to do it.
    - jarek 17y ago
      I've ran VS 2008 on my almost-six-year-old laptop (P-M Banias 1.4 GHz, 1 GB DDR 333, 80 GB 5400 rpm) and I would not hesitate to call the experience "comfortable". What are the specs on your netbook -- is it really that much worse?
- anamax 17y ago
  > Because "bloated" is still bloated, regardless of how much memory and processing speed you have at your disposal. It's much like a 200 Kg fat man driving a bus. He is still fat. While he's fat, it's not clear why it matters. (It matters to his health but not to the bus passengers.) In what ways does the VS "bloat" matter?
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    > In what ways does the VS "bloat" matter? Basically, it will not run on a small netbook. Not at acceptable speeds. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1260761 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1260761
    - anamax 17y ago
      A lot of netbooks allow 2-3gb ram. Is that enough?
      - rbanffy 17y ago
        It reduces memory time. Mine has 1.5 gigs. Never (well, almost never) touches swap. Disk is a bit slow, probably because low-rpm. And it still runs Django faster than my company-issued 4 gig Windows Core 2 Duo laptop.
        rbanffy 17y ago
        Oops... "battery time". More momory reduces battery time.
- gfodor 17y ago
  Stop anthropomorphising your computer. If your RAM, disk, and CPU let certain software perform as fast as necessary, any "bloat" you are asribing to things is purely psychological, philosophical, or due to something else like poor UI design. Traditionally, "bloat" means that there is too much memory-resident tools or features such that their cumulative effect, while negligable in separation, becomes daunting for your machine to handle, resulting in a sluggish user experience. So, "bloat" is relative to your machine. What's "bloated" today is not going to be bloated 5-10 years from now, and vice versa. If this isn't what you're talking about, you're using the wrong word.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    > If your RAM, disk, and CPU let certain software perform as fast as necessary, any "bloat" you are asribing to things is purely psychological, philosophical, or due to something else like poor UI design. Actually, bloat is measurable. It's the difference between being able to use a tiny netbook for a whole day without bothering to recharge it (provided you have a big enough battery pack) and having to be tethered to a desk for the whole day. Of course I would love to have 16 cores of pure performance, 32 gigs of RAM, a couple terabytes of wicked fast SSD storage. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to fold it up, throw it in my shoulder bag and leave the office in order to work from a charming cafe while I watch the sunset. At least not for the next five years or so. Everybody has priorities.

by alexro 17y ago

Why can't you remove all unnecessary components from the IDE? For me VS 2008 with Resharper makes no problems at all on my 4GB Ram desktop with loads of other crap running in parallel.

alexro 17y ago

I even start 2-3 copies of the IDE sometimes when doing work on several projects. EDIT: wanted to ADD and didn't notice I was replying to myself

rbanffy 17y ago
You can always delete a post.

rbanffy 17y ago

Because "bloated" is still bloated, regardless of how much memory and processing speed you have at your disposal. It's much like a 200 Kg fat man driving a bus. He is still fat. That said, I once thought Emacs was bloated. Now, it's quite nimble compared to other programming tools.

bad_user 17y ago
A 200kg fat man can drive a bus just fine ;) On Emacs ... you still have to pay attention to the loaded extensions, and if you've got dozens of them (especially the Jdee extension, with all the dependencies) it can be as bloated as a full IDE (and it shows in startup times).
- jefffoster 17y ago
  As a side note, you could run Emacs in daemon mode and connect to it with the client. See http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/02/emacs-daemon.html http://emacs-fu.blogspot.com/2009/02/emacs-daemon.html for more details. This way you only have to pay the startup cost once.
- rbanffy 17y ago
  Emacs runs comfortably on my netbook. I seriously doubt Visual Studio 2005 would be able to do it.
  - jarek 17y ago
    I've ran VS 2008 on my almost-six-year-old laptop (P-M Banias 1.4 GHz, 1 GB DDR 333, 80 GB 5400 rpm) and I would not hesitate to call the experience "comfortable". What are the specs on your netbook -- is it really that much worse?
anamax 17y ago
> Because "bloated" is still bloated, regardless of how much memory and processing speed you have at your disposal. It's much like a 200 Kg fat man driving a bus. He is still fat. While he's fat, it's not clear why it matters. (It matters to his health but not to the bus passengers.) In what ways does the VS "bloat" matter?
- rbanffy 17y ago
  > In what ways does the VS "bloat" matter? Basically, it will not run on a small netbook. Not at acceptable speeds. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1260761 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1260761
  - anamax 17y ago
    A lot of netbooks allow 2-3gb ram. Is that enough?
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      It reduces memory time. Mine has 1.5 gigs. Never (well, almost never) touches swap. Disk is a bit slow, probably because low-rpm. And it still runs Django faster than my company-issued 4 gig Windows Core 2 Duo laptop.
      - rbanffy 17y ago
        Oops... "battery time". More momory reduces battery time.
gfodor 17y ago
Stop anthropomorphising your computer. If your RAM, disk, and CPU let certain software perform as fast as necessary, any "bloat" you are asribing to things is purely psychological, philosophical, or due to something else like poor UI design. Traditionally, "bloat" means that there is too much memory-resident tools or features such that their cumulative effect, while negligable in separation, becomes daunting for your machine to handle, resulting in a sluggish user experience. So, "bloat" is relative to your machine. What's "bloated" today is not going to be bloated 5-10 years from now, and vice versa. If this isn't what you're talking about, you're using the wrong word.
- rbanffy 17y ago
  > If your RAM, disk, and CPU let certain software perform as fast as necessary, any "bloat" you are asribing to things is purely psychological, philosophical, or due to something else like poor UI design. Actually, bloat is measurable. It's the difference between being able to use a tiny netbook for a whole day without bothering to recharge it (provided you have a big enough battery pack) and having to be tethered to a desk for the whole day. Of course I would love to have 16 cores of pure performance, 32 gigs of RAM, a couple terabytes of wicked fast SSD storage. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to fold it up, throw it in my shoulder bag and leave the office in order to work from a charming cafe while I watch the sunset. At least not for the next five years or so. Everybody has priorities.