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Could you elaborate? I am using Telegram not because of privacy concerns but because of the desktop and tablet clients. I had absolutely no issues so far.

• FabHK 10y ago
  Telegram's weak points, as far as I can tell: * chats not end-to-end encrypted by default (only secure chats), so clear text is on their servers * group chats can't be secure chats * the crypto is somewhat unconventional. While the developers had their reasons (constraints of mobile platforms), and no exploit has been found so far, AFAIK, any self-rolled crypto is a bit of a red flag to cryptographers. * I have no reason to distrust Pavel Durov or his motives, but I am somewhat skeptical of services based in Russia (also, just to be clear, of services based in the USA or other five eyes). To me, Wire might be the best of both worlds (as I've said in another post in this thread, and BTW I am not connected to them in any way): Signal protocol; based in Switzerland; smartphone, desktop and web client; free; text and voice chat and group chat; open source (GPLv3, and on github); signup with phone number or email.
  • moxie 10y ago
    Wire does not use Signal Protocol. They use a protocol of their own devising that we do not recommend.
    • leshow 10y ago
      hey moxie! thanks for your work on signal
    • Siimteller 10y ago
      https://github.com/wireapp/wire#proteuscryptobox https://github.com/wireapp/wire#proteuscryptobox for info on Proteus/Cryptobox that Wire uses.
  • undefined0 10y ago
    Telegram is not based in Russia. Pavel Durov fled the country and is currently operating Telegram from Germany.
• leshow 10y ago
  It's not end-to-end encrypted, so telegram still has access to all your messages and can turn over data in the case of a subpoena or if they just feel like it. the desktop client was not encrypted at all last i checked, only the mobile client. signal is e2e encrypted, it's in a completely different ballpark