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> Using the messaging service is a voluntary decision Yes, it is voluntary, but it would be socially alienating not to be on that service. Here's a relevant ta

• wolfgke 10y ago
  > Yes, it is voluntary, but it would be socially alienating not to be on that service. On the other hand: Do people who care about privacy very much really get along well with people who don't and force you in subtile ways to use such a messaging service? I rather think it's the completely different mindset of these two classes of people that is socially alienating and the message service is just a symptom (I believe I know what I'm talking about since I think I am one of these very privacy-caring people).
  • reitanqild 10y ago
    I for one do.
  • pjc50 10y ago
    Some of the people who care most about privacy are also very social: activists and politicians.
    • wolfgke 10y ago
      For activists I think you are biased by the fact that by definition you only perceive activists that are rather social. I, for example, consider myself as very acivist, but also very unsocial. For politicians my perception is different: one might be tempted to call them privacy activists, but only for their own privacy (for obvious reasons), but not for passing laws protecting the privacy of the ordinary citizen.
      • eropple 10y ago
        > I, for example, consider myself as very acivist, but also very unsocial. Can you square that circle for me and explain what you're doing to be an activist while eschewing the social sphere?
        • wolfgke 10y ago
          > Can you square that circle for me and explain what you're doing to be an activist while eschewing the social sphere? I don't eschew the social sphere, but I strongly lack charisma/am socially rather clumsy and rather the kind of person who has difficulties forming friendships, thus I'm not very social.
          • eropple 10y ago
            OK--so how are you, as you define it, an "activist"? Activism, to my mind, requires social interaction and engagement. I'm curious as to what I'm missing.
            • reitanqild 10y ago
              Let me help here: There is a whole lot you can do without one-to-one social face-to-face interaction and engagement.
            • type0 10y ago
              There's plenty of "activists" trying to develop encrypted messaging systems, blogging about privacy rights etc, and they are not all that social.
  • yoghurt 10y ago
    We're different people, but I think my friends are just not aware of how their rights are violated and how important privacy is in a digital world. Mainstream media also rarely publishes content related to this issue, so most people have no clue about what happens in this field. Pretty hard to make good judgements if you don't know the details.
• ryandrake 10y ago
  Now, going without Facebook or IM is "socially alienating"? People's social lives must be pretty fragile these days if they really require things that did not even exist for the majority of humanity's existence.
  • Fargren 10y ago
    Clothes "did not even exist for the majority of humanity's existence" and it is socially alienating to not use them. Not a great argument.