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Ok. So how does an Apple fan respond to something they intensely dislike? It's very difficult not to express complete and utter disdain and contempt for people

by jpcx01 17y ago

Ok. So how does an Apple fan respond to something they intensely dislike? It's very difficult not to express complete and utter disdain and contempt for people like Gruber who expresses such an unbelievable idiotic opinion, that are then used by Apple management to justify to themselves why their decision is correct. Sometimes its only natural question to question someones motives when their reasoning is so illogical. Maybe he is that blinded by his fanboyism that he's willing to accept any limits to freedom. Sorry, it just makes me sick. I've never been a Microsoft fan, but they've never ever made a decision that was this abusive to their developers or anyone. And yes, that includes their terrible choice of bundling IE with windows (people still at least had a choice).

chris_j 17y ago
> Ok. So how does an Apple fan respond to something they intensely dislike? It's very difficult to respond in an objective manner to something that you feel emotional about. Some of the best advice that I have heard over the years is to try to take yourself out of a situation and imagine that you are observing two people are arguing about the subject. What advice would you give to each of them and how does this impact the subject at hand. Bear in mind that you wouldn't necessarily advise either of them to call the other guy an idiot (even if it's true) if that would just make the other guy angry. I found this PG essay to be thought provoking too: http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html
sunchild 17y ago
You have a choice not to develop for the iPhone OS. Who is twisting your arm? Give the rhetoric a break. It's you who is being contemptuous.
- jpcx01 16y ago
  Great answer. I also like the one "Don't like the government? Move to another country".
  - sunchild 16y ago
    Oh please. If you can't see the difference between a government encroaching on your human rights, and Apple restricting your use of development tools...well, I guess you just proved that you don't see the difference. It must suck being you.
    - jpcx01 16y ago
      Of course there's a difference. Who said there wasn't? But the attitude is the same. "Screw your opinion, go home if you don't like it".
      - sunchild 16y ago
        By that logic, no one can impose any restrictions on anything ever.

by jpcx01 17y ago

chris_j 17y ago

> Ok. So how does an Apple fan respond to something they intensely dislike? It's very difficult to respond in an objective manner to something that you feel emotional about. Some of the best advice that I have heard over the years is to try to take yourself out of a situation and imagine that you are observing two people are arguing about the subject. What advice would you give to each of them and how does this impact the subject at hand. Bear in mind that you wouldn't necessarily advise either of them to call the other guy an idiot (even if it's true) if that would just make the other guy angry. I found this PG essay to be thought provoking too: http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html http://www.paulgraham.com/identity.html

sunchild 17y ago

You have a choice not to develop for the iPhone OS. Who is twisting your arm? Give the rhetoric a break. It's you who is being contemptuous.

jpcx01 16y ago
Great answer. I also like the one "Don't like the government? Move to another country".
- sunchild 16y ago
  Oh please. If you can't see the difference between a government encroaching on your human rights, and Apple restricting your use of development tools...well, I guess you just proved that you don't see the difference. It must suck being you.
  - jpcx01 16y ago
    Of course there's a difference. Who said there wasn't? But the attitude is the same. "Screw your opinion, go home if you don't like it".
    - sunchild 16y ago
      By that logic, no one can impose any restrictions on anything ever.