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> They're unlikely to survive for a year Well, they might, unless the other browser vendors do the same. Firefox is only like 10% of the total browser market (

by mtgx 10y ago

> They're unlikely to survive for a year Well, they might, unless the other browser vendors do the same. Firefox is only like 10% of the total browser market (mobile included).

roblabla 10y ago
AFAIK, moz's CA isn't just for FF. On linux, the default "root CA" used by google chrome is mozilla's NSS as shown here[0]. Also, other root certificate programs may follow suit. [0]: https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/root-ca-policy https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/root-ca-poli...
tempestn 10y ago
Even if other browsers don't follow suit, 10% is enough for effectively no one to choose their certificates. When there are other, even free, alternatives, why would anyone voluntarily give up 10% of their potential users?
Xylakant 10y ago
Browser shares vary wildly by country. For example in germany FF is still the widest used desktop browser. Including mobile probably tips it in favor of safari or chrome, but losing a substantial portion of the desktop market in Europe's largest economy will hurt you.
- paulasmuth 10y ago
  >> For example in germany FF is still the widest used desktop browser. Do you have any references to back that up? I'm asking because I suspect your assumption is completely wrong. (Based on a bunch of analytics data that I have access to, which might not be representative but still contains some very large german web properties, chrome has more than twice the market share compared to FF in germany).
  - seren 10y ago
    Not sure how accurate it is but this shows that FF is still the first desktop browser (but not for long it seems) in Germany: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-DE-monthly-201508-201608 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-DE-monthly-201508-201608 On the other hand if you only look at mobile, Chrome is well ahead of everything else: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-DE-monthly-201508-201608 http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-DE-monthly-201508-...
davidgerard 10y ago
We just moved our stuff from Comodo to Let's Encrypt for an ancient Android version that's a few percent of a few percent. It'll happen.

by mtgx 10y ago

> They're unlikely to survive for a year Well, they might, unless the other browser vendors do the same. Firefox is only like 10% of the total browser market (mobile included).

roblabla 10y ago

AFAIK, moz's CA isn't just for FF. On linux, the default "root CA" used by google chrome is mozilla's NSS as shown here[0]. Also, other root certificate programs may follow suit. [0]: https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/root-ca-policy https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/root-ca-poli...

tempestn 10y ago

Even if other browsers don't follow suit, 10% is enough for effectively no one to choose their certificates. When there are other, even free, alternatives, why would anyone voluntarily give up 10% of their potential users?

Xylakant 10y ago

Browser shares vary wildly by country. For example in germany FF is still the widest used desktop browser. Including mobile probably tips it in favor of safari or chrome, but losing a substantial portion of the desktop market in Europe's largest economy will hurt you.

paulasmuth 10y ago
>> For example in germany FF is still the widest used desktop browser. Do you have any references to back that up? I'm asking because I suspect your assumption is completely wrong. (Based on a bunch of analytics data that I have access to, which might not be representative but still contains some very large german web properties, chrome has more than twice the market share compared to FF in germany).
- seren 10y ago
  Not sure how accurate it is but this shows that FF is still the first desktop browser (but not for long it seems) in Germany: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-DE-monthly-201508-201608 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-DE-monthly-201508-201608 On the other hand if you only look at mobile, Chrome is well ahead of everything else: http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-DE-monthly-201508-201608 http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-DE-monthly-201508-...

davidgerard 10y ago

We just moved our stuff from Comodo to Let's Encrypt for an ancient Android version that's a few percent of a few percent. It'll happen.