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> harmful to people's self-esteems Hoo boy, that's what we need, more people with self-inflated self-esteem issues. I think what you mean is that it's harmful

by jtuente 10y ago

> harmful to people's self-esteems Hoo boy, that's what we need, more people with self-inflated self-esteem issues. I think what you mean is that it's harmful to their immediate gratification response. > CICO "fad of the month diets" Could you point one of those out to me, because the only CICO diets I'm aware of are things like Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers (oh and maybe Nutrisystem). Shit like South Beach, Atkins, Low-GI, Keto aren't focused on CICO, but on some other aspect of nutritional content.

WorldMaker 10y ago
From what I've read, and I know I'm veering towards stuff I don't have the place to discuss, both Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers seem to go through fad periods themselves, measurement revamps, have different scoring systems between each other, etc. There are blogs and tumblrs devoted to the cycles that Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers tend to go through and the abusive victim blaming to people that occurs within their programs, especially to "repeat customers". You might not care anything about that sort of abuse (and in fact from many of your responses seem more than happy to fat shame), but it is a real problem that is hurting real people, compassion would go a long way...
- jtuente 10y ago
  For as long as those two have been around, I would expect that they have had to adjust their system based on the changes in nutritional science and to better balance their scoring systems (much like video games often do). Abusive victim blaming? Really? You mean people don't like being told they're fat. That the only reason they aren't losing weight is because they aren't staying true to their diet. Don't get me wrong, some people are downright abusive, but that falls on the individual not the diet system. On the other hand if you're a repeat customer to something like this, it really shows you aren't learning how to control your diet on your own (which should be the ultimate goal of these programs, I don't know). I don't put any stock in blogs that dedicate themselves to finding these stories to share (I consider them something akin to conspiracy websites, very different from, say, Yelp). A program so focused on customer abuse should have closed up shop long ago from a lack of customers.
  - WorldMaker 10y ago
    For as long as those two have been around I'd expect they'd have solved weight loss entirely if it was truly as simple as CICO. I'd assume they would have worked themselves out of a business model. They are both for-profit companies and their revenues rely as much on that fact that they don't actually solve the problem as they do on revamping the system every few years to score new customers or returning old customers.

by jtuente 10y ago

WorldMaker 10y ago

From what I've read, and I know I'm veering towards stuff I don't have the place to discuss, both Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers seem to go through fad periods themselves, measurement revamps, have different scoring systems between each other, etc. There are blogs and tumblrs devoted to the cycles that Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers tend to go through and the abusive victim blaming to people that occurs within their programs, especially to "repeat customers". You might not care anything about that sort of abuse (and in fact from many of your responses seem more than happy to fat shame), but it is a real problem that is hurting real people, compassion would go a long way...

jtuente 10y ago
For as long as those two have been around, I would expect that they have had to adjust their system based on the changes in nutritional science and to better balance their scoring systems (much like video games often do). Abusive victim blaming? Really? You mean people don't like being told they're fat. That the only reason they aren't losing weight is because they aren't staying true to their diet. Don't get me wrong, some people are downright abusive, but that falls on the individual not the diet system. On the other hand if you're a repeat customer to something like this, it really shows you aren't learning how to control your diet on your own (which should be the ultimate goal of these programs, I don't know). I don't put any stock in blogs that dedicate themselves to finding these stories to share (I consider them something akin to conspiracy websites, very different from, say, Yelp). A program so focused on customer abuse should have closed up shop long ago from a lack of customers.
- WorldMaker 10y ago
  For as long as those two have been around I'd expect they'd have solved weight loss entirely if it was truly as simple as CICO. I'd assume they would have worked themselves out of a business model. They are both for-profit companies and their revenues rely as much on that fact that they don't actually solve the problem as they do on revamping the system every few years to score new customers or returning old customers.