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On the less straw-man extreme, we also make alcoholics stop drinking before giving them organ transplants, and smokers have to quit before receiving a lung tran
by wyager 10y ago
On the less straw-man extreme, we also make alcoholics stop drinking before giving them organ transplants, and smokers have to quit before receiving a lung transplant. Medical care is a finite resource, especially in countries where it's publicly funded. We prioritize people who don't destroy their bodies because it's more likely that we'll diagnose them correctly and that a treatment will be successful. The article talks about people who have e.g. joint pain, which is almost certainly caused by their continuous obesity, rather than something like diabetes, which won't go away if they lose weight.
> Your needlessly weird comments about equipment betray your bias
What are you talking about? Did you even read the article? That's where I got those examples from.
> your implicit belief that everyone who has a weight issue can do something about it
You caught me; I believe in conservation of energy.
> this line of thinking runs looks pretty awful when applied to other medical conditions.
You clearly aren't familiar with how medicine actually works. Prioritization and triage are unfortunate facts of life.
- __jal 10y agoBluntly, this discussion makes it pretty clear that asking skinny technical people about medical obesity is pretty close to asking Donald Trump about how to solve crime: get more violent. If it doesn't work, you weren't violent enough. If it does, get more violent, because it is clearly working. Change a few words and you're there. The ignorant certainty the arrogant dismissiveness that comes with it are breathtaking. It is genuinely sad. > You clearly aren't familiar with how medicine actually works. Physician, heal thyself.
- wyager 10y agoNice response. Instead of addressing anything I said, just make tenuous political metaphors and baseless claims of ignorance. > It is genuinely sad. It's ironic that you're using Trump as an example of bad argumentation, given that your styles are quite similar. "You're so sad. You're a slob. You're a mess." Etc. etc.
- DanBC 10y ago> we also make alcoholics stop drinking before giving them organ transplants, and smokers have to quit before receiving a lung transplant. That's done by providing alcohol treatment and smoking cessation, not telling them to just stop.
- wyager 10y agoI agree, society currently has unfortunate views towards food addiction.