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Whatever condition you had didn't cause you to gain weight. You can't defy physics. If you control your caloric intake, your body /will/ lose fat. Your story is

by hasenj 10y ago

Whatever condition you had didn't cause you to gain weight. You can't defy physics. If you control your caloric intake, your body /will/ lose fat. Your story is anecdotal so I'll response with an anecdote as well: I've seen more than one person with a "thyroid condition" who were in good shape.

speeder 10y ago
You just forget the body is made of more than fat. Yes, eating less calories than I use will make me lose weight, but where that weight will come from? Nothing guarantees it will be from fat. For example right now my hair, nails and skin is breaking, and I am losing muscle. But when I raise my food intake, I get an increase in fat, and my nails, hair, muscle and so on continue fucked up. But when I cut calories, they get worse faster, but the fat remains.
- tcj_phx 10y ago
  When under conditions of low blood sugar, muscles are the easiest source of sugar. Low blood sugar -> Cortisol release -> muscle destruction. If you search for 'cortisol muscles', I'm sure you'll find something helpful. Fruit juice is one of the best sources of sugar - many fruits are good sources of potassium, which helps the body burn sugar instead of store it. Milk is also a good source of potassium.
  - hasenj 10y ago
    Citation needed.
- hasenj 10y ago
  There's hardly any calories in your nails. You can supplement with specific vitamins and minerals for your nails and skin. You can supplement with protein and perform basic exercises to protect muscles (pushups, beginner level). Protecting hair is not a good excuse to not lose weight.
  - speeder 10y ago
    Are proteins calorieless? Right now my diet is already protein heavy. There is a way to force all my protein eaten to do protein job without a single bit of it being turned into calories for other purposes? EDIT: my questions were rethorical. I know proteins have calories, that is my whole point. even with a diet where I get only the macronutrients I need, my calorie intake is too high. Right now my lifestyle consists of switching periods of losing weight woth periods of fixing the damage. so far lost 30kg from my peak weight, still need to lose more 30kg to doctors stop telling me I am fat and start helping me.
    - hasenj 10y ago
      Combine it with healthy fats and healthy carbs. Muscle loss is unavoidable. But you can't use it as an excuse to not lose weight. You just try to minimize it by having a balanced diet and performing some basic exercises.
      - AstralStorm 10y ago
        Another platitude of a "balanced" diet. Not even dieteticians know what that means for purposes of weight loss. Muscle loss is a major problem for people who fail diets and bounce back. Muscle once lost is very hard to regain. Lack thereof will also reduce energy output making further attempts harder. Even a vegan or near vegan diet easily exceeds required caloric intake for weight loss. Going for healthy foods is no good if caloric input is too high. Protein has a star quality in that it suppresses hunger directly. The trouble is finding sources not also laden in fat and also making it palatable. What you need is a highly unbalanced diet, but one that will not damage your health. It is very tricky to set up.
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tcj_phx 10y ago
> You can't defy physics. If you control your caloric intake, your body /will/ lose fat. People whose bodies go into starvation mode in the absence of starvation can't lose weight. Dietary goitrogens and excess polyunsaturated oils are very hard on the metabolism. > I'll response with an anecdote as well: I've seen more than one person with a "thyroid condition" who were in good shape. Being in 'good shape' is about more than excess weight. I've started to fix my metabolism, and I'm not so anorexic-looking anymore.
- hasenj 10y ago
  Starvation mode is not really a thing. At worst, your daily caloric output will drop by a hundred or two hundred calories. It's not going to drop by a thousand calories. Obese people have specially high caloric requirements per day. A normal size person might require 2000 calories a day to maintain weight, but an obese person could require 3500 per day (or even more). Limiting your daily intake to 1600 calories as an obese person absolutely will cause your body to burn fat. Consistently so. All you have to do is endure the hunger.
  - AstralStorm 10y ago
    Ever tried enduring hunger on a starvation level diet? If not, please do not say "all you have to do", because you have no idea how impossible it is. CR people who are reducing calories count to what you propose from healthy levels almost never go to maximum restriction immediately exactly because of this problem. And those diets are extremely precise and meticulous. A minor deviation is enough to cause long term health problems. And even at 50% caloric restriction it will take years to lose a large amount of weight.

by hasenj 10y ago

speeder 10y ago

You just forget the body is made of more than fat. Yes, eating less calories than I use will make me lose weight, but where that weight will come from? Nothing guarantees it will be from fat. For example right now my hair, nails and skin is breaking, and I am losing muscle. But when I raise my food intake, I get an increase in fat, and my nails, hair, muscle and so on continue fucked up. But when I cut calories, they get worse faster, but the fat remains.

tcj_phx 10y ago
When under conditions of low blood sugar, muscles are the easiest source of sugar. Low blood sugar -> Cortisol release -> muscle destruction. If you search for 'cortisol muscles', I'm sure you'll find something helpful. Fruit juice is one of the best sources of sugar - many fruits are good sources of potassium, which helps the body burn sugar instead of store it. Milk is also a good source of potassium.
- hasenj 10y ago
  Citation needed.
hasenj 10y ago
There's hardly any calories in your nails. You can supplement with specific vitamins and minerals for your nails and skin. You can supplement with protein and perform basic exercises to protect muscles (pushups, beginner level). Protecting hair is not a good excuse to not lose weight.
- speeder 10y ago
  Are proteins calorieless? Right now my diet is already protein heavy. There is a way to force all my protein eaten to do protein job without a single bit of it being turned into calories for other purposes? EDIT: my questions were rethorical. I know proteins have calories, that is my whole point. even with a diet where I get only the macronutrients I need, my calorie intake is too high. Right now my lifestyle consists of switching periods of losing weight woth periods of fixing the damage. so far lost 30kg from my peak weight, still need to lose more 30kg to doctors stop telling me I am fat and start helping me.
  - hasenj 10y ago
    Combine it with healthy fats and healthy carbs. Muscle loss is unavoidable. But you can't use it as an excuse to not lose weight. You just try to minimize it by having a balanced diet and performing some basic exercises.
    - AstralStorm 10y ago
      Another platitude of a "balanced" diet. Not even dieteticians know what that means for purposes of weight loss. Muscle loss is a major problem for people who fail diets and bounce back. Muscle once lost is very hard to regain. Lack thereof will also reduce energy output making further attempts harder. Even a vegan or near vegan diet easily exceeds required caloric intake for weight loss. Going for healthy foods is no good if caloric input is too high. Protein has a star quality in that it suppresses hunger directly. The trouble is finding sources not also laden in fat and also making it palatable. What you need is a highly unbalanced diet, but one that will not damage your health. It is very tricky to set up.
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tcj_phx 10y ago

> You can't defy physics. If you control your caloric intake, your body /will/ lose fat. People whose bodies go into starvation mode in the absence of starvation can't lose weight. Dietary goitrogens and excess polyunsaturated oils are very hard on the metabolism. > I'll response with an anecdote as well: I've seen more than one person with a "thyroid condition" who were in good shape. Being in 'good shape' is about more than excess weight. I've started to fix my metabolism, and I'm not so anorexic-looking anymore.

hasenj 10y ago
Starvation mode is not really a thing. At worst, your daily caloric output will drop by a hundred or two hundred calories. It's not going to drop by a thousand calories. Obese people have specially high caloric requirements per day. A normal size person might require 2000 calories a day to maintain weight, but an obese person could require 3500 per day (or even more). Limiting your daily intake to 1600 calories as an obese person absolutely will cause your body to burn fat. Consistently so. All you have to do is endure the hunger.
- AstralStorm 10y ago
  Ever tried enduring hunger on a starvation level diet? If not, please do not say "all you have to do", because you have no idea how impossible it is. CR people who are reducing calories count to what you propose from healthy levels almost never go to maximum restriction immediately exactly because of this problem. And those diets are extremely precise and meticulous. A minor deviation is enough to cause long term health problems. And even at 50% caloric restriction it will take years to lose a large amount of weight.