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How is it acceptable to call big people revolting and wave off their condition as "suicidal"? You know nothing of these people, or why they are big. They aren't

How is it acceptable to call big people revolting and wave off their condition as "suicidal"? You know nothing of these people, or why they are big. They aren't here to look pleasing to you, they just want to live their lives. People are not always big by choice. Do you blame all alcoholics for their condition?

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hasenj 10y ago
> They aren't here to look pleasing to you So? GP is not here to indulge them either. To each his own. They can choose to indulge on food, it's their freedom, and he can choose to ignore them, it's his freedom.
- AstralStorm 10y ago
  Another person who thinks obesity is caused by solely overindulgence. Maybe next you would claim that people with movement disorders (e.g. in wheelchairs) are overweight because of overindulgence. Or maybe you will shift the blame to lack of exercise, not considering they would need multiple times more. Our maybe you will start designing diets for everyone that are trivial to adhere to and make millions as a life coach. GP is there to treat, not indulge. If they are unable to treat obesity, they are to blame, not the patient. Obesity is extremely hard to treat even when there is will to change. Heck, the causes of it are not yet well understood. Something goes wrong with the feedback system of satiety and energy expenditure, which is evolutionarily stacked to accumulate calories.
  - hasenj 10y ago
    I used to be obese. I know what causes obesity. It basically does boil down to over indulgence. If you're in denial about that, I can see why you would be. It's no different than religious people denying science to protect their egos. However, your sensitivity does not warrant that others should indulge your delusions and fantasies.
    - jakebasile 10y ago
      I am in awe of your complete lack of empathy for other humans, and your ability to be so completely self righteous while dismissing their struggles.
      - hasenj 10y ago
        I'm only dismissing the fat logic that's being despersed everywhere here. Losing weight is hard but that does not entitle obese people to special treatment. The thing is, no one can help you lose weight. Only you can help you do it. Unless you make a decision to endure hunger everyday, it will not happen.
        jakebasile 10y ago
        "The thing is, no one can help people through bipolar disorder. Only you can help you do it. Unless you make a decision to endure suicidal ideation everyday, it will not happen." I'm not asking for special treatment, I'm asking to be treated like a human being who deserves dignity and life.
        hasenj 10y ago
        Then ask the doctor to help you lose weight, instead of complaining that the doctor shouldn't advice you to lose weight. If a cure for bipolar disorder exist but a bipolar patient refused to take it because it hurts their self image, what do you presume the doctor should do?
        jakebasile 10y ago
        Find another way to help the patient.
        hasenj 10y ago
        Would you be open to possibly having to restrain the patient and force them to take the medicine? Would you be open to shaming then into taking it? Would it be wrong to say that unless they want to be cured, no one can help them?
  - diyseguy 10y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEchNTesu88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEchNTesu88

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hasenj 10y ago

> They aren't here to look pleasing to you So? GP is not here to indulge them either. To each his own. They can choose to indulge on food, it's their freedom, and he can choose to ignore them, it's his freedom.

AstralStorm 10y ago
Another person who thinks obesity is caused by solely overindulgence. Maybe next you would claim that people with movement disorders (e.g. in wheelchairs) are overweight because of overindulgence. Or maybe you will shift the blame to lack of exercise, not considering they would need multiple times more. Our maybe you will start designing diets for everyone that are trivial to adhere to and make millions as a life coach. GP is there to treat, not indulge. If they are unable to treat obesity, they are to blame, not the patient. Obesity is extremely hard to treat even when there is will to change. Heck, the causes of it are not yet well understood. Something goes wrong with the feedback system of satiety and energy expenditure, which is evolutionarily stacked to accumulate calories.
- hasenj 10y ago
  I used to be obese. I know what causes obesity. It basically does boil down to over indulgence. If you're in denial about that, I can see why you would be. It's no different than religious people denying science to protect their egos. However, your sensitivity does not warrant that others should indulge your delusions and fantasies.
  - jakebasile 10y ago
    I am in awe of your complete lack of empathy for other humans, and your ability to be so completely self righteous while dismissing their struggles.
    - hasenj 10y ago
      I'm only dismissing the fat logic that's being despersed everywhere here. Losing weight is hard but that does not entitle obese people to special treatment. The thing is, no one can help you lose weight. Only you can help you do it. Unless you make a decision to endure hunger everyday, it will not happen.
      - jakebasile 10y ago
        "The thing is, no one can help people through bipolar disorder. Only you can help you do it. Unless you make a decision to endure suicidal ideation everyday, it will not happen." I'm not asking for special treatment, I'm asking to be treated like a human being who deserves dignity and life.
        hasenj 10y ago
        Then ask the doctor to help you lose weight, instead of complaining that the doctor shouldn't advice you to lose weight. If a cure for bipolar disorder exist but a bipolar patient refused to take it because it hurts their self image, what do you presume the doctor should do?
        jakebasile 10y ago
        Find another way to help the patient.
        hasenj 10y ago
        Would you be open to possibly having to restrain the patient and force them to take the medicine? Would you be open to shaming then into taking it? Would it be wrong to say that unless they want to be cured, no one can help them?
- diyseguy 10y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEchNTesu88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEchNTesu88