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That's not quite the point I am making. The point is that taking either condition at its most surface level and just saying "why don't you just fix it?" is unhe

That's not quite the point I am making. The point is that taking either condition at its most surface level and just saying "why don't you just fix it?" is unhelpful. The fact that there are known ways to help solve weight loss isn't the problem. Obese people know there are ways to lose weight. The issue is psychological - not believing one can achieve the goal, not being ready/willing to fully commit to the goal, feeling too ashamed of oneself to believe one can improve one's situation, and on and on. Plus, you suggest that because the way to lose weight is clear (it is), that makes it easy. That's a false equivocation. I'm speaking from experience when I say it's simple, but quite challenging. That's like saying "winning the Olympic 100m sprint is easy, just be faster than everyone else." (No, I don't think my weight loss is an Olympian effort, but I am exaggerating for effect.)

vonmoltke 10y ago
> Plus, you suggest that because the way to lose weight is clear (it is), that makes it easy. > > There are safe, reliable, and well-understood ways to lose weight. They're not easy The poster you are replying to specifically said it wasn't easy.
- ivraatiems 10y ago
  Yes, but then he goes on to suggest that it IS easier than dealing with depression. I think that while that is probably true, it is not true by much, and not true enough to make a distinction here.
  - vonmoltke 10y ago
    As someone who has dealt with both, I personally think weight is far easier to deal with than depression, specifically because I know what to do about weight. Neither is "easy" in the absolute sense, though.
    - ivraatiems 10y ago
      That's fair. I don't mean to judge your specific experience.
QSIITurbo 10y ago
"The issue is psychological - not believing one can achieve the goal, not being ready/willing to fully commit to the goal, feeling too ashamed of oneself to believe one can improve one's situation, and on and on." And here I was, thinking it was just that you love constantly stuffing large amounts of high-calorie foods down your throats.
- ivraatiems 10y ago
  Imagine how pleased I am to see you've changed that perception.

vonmoltke 10y ago

> Plus, you suggest that because the way to lose weight is clear (it is), that makes it easy. > > There are safe, reliable, and well-understood ways to lose weight. They're not easy The poster you are replying to specifically said it wasn't easy.

ivraatiems 10y ago
Yes, but then he goes on to suggest that it IS easier than dealing with depression. I think that while that is probably true, it is not true by much, and not true enough to make a distinction here.
- vonmoltke 10y ago
  As someone who has dealt with both, I personally think weight is far easier to deal with than depression, specifically because I know what to do about weight. Neither is "easy" in the absolute sense, though.
  - ivraatiems 10y ago
    That's fair. I don't mean to judge your specific experience.

QSIITurbo 10y ago

"The issue is psychological - not believing one can achieve the goal, not being ready/willing to fully commit to the goal, feeling too ashamed of oneself to believe one can improve one's situation, and on and on." And here I was, thinking it was just that you love constantly stuffing large amounts of high-calorie foods down your throats.

ivraatiems 10y ago
Imagine how pleased I am to see you've changed that perception.