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yes, viable and vital see more here https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/ https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/

by nwrk 10y ago

k__ 10y ago
What about the app-cache/service worker issues? Are they real or is this just FUD by the native app makers?
- PaulHoule 10y ago
  Chrome, Firefox and Operas support service workers. Service workers are "under development" for Microsoft Edge. Service workers are not supported in Safari. Of all the vendors, Apple has the most reason to keep people stuck on apps. Both the app-cache and service workers seem to be a kludge to me. The app-cache doesn't do enough (doesn't load things proactively, doesn't have a strategy for invalidation) and service workers are just another place for badly written procedural code to hide. It all brings back memories of the ill-fated Netscape Netcaster http://sillydog.org/netscape/communicator/faq/netcaster.php http://sillydog.org/netscape/communicator/faq/netcaster.php and I can't figure out why they just don't introduce something useful like the ability to download a ZIP file with HTML, CSS and images in it and "install" that.
  - k__ 10y ago
    > the ability to download a ZIP file with HTML, CSS and images in it and "install" that Isn't the app-cache like that? From what I heared it simply stores a bunch of files for offline use but can't get updated incrementally, like a zip.
    - PaulHoule 10y ago
      See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Using_the_application_cache https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Using_the_... the application cache can make a download sticky or non-sticky in the cache but it does not trigger the download until the web app requests it in the act of doing requests. A Microsoft Office document these days is a ZIP file that has XML files in it as well as images, media files, all kinds of stuff. Why can't I make an old fashioned static web page and upload it like a book? (And then from there develop interactive capabilities)

yes, viable and vital see more here https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/ https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/

by nwrk 10y ago

yes, viable and vital see more here https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/ https://developers.google.com/web/progressive-web-apps/

k__ 10y ago

What about the app-cache/service worker issues? Are they real or is this just FUD by the native app makers?

PaulHoule 10y ago
Chrome, Firefox and Operas support service workers. Service workers are "under development" for Microsoft Edge. Service workers are not supported in Safari. Of all the vendors, Apple has the most reason to keep people stuck on apps. Both the app-cache and service workers seem to be a kludge to me. The app-cache doesn't do enough (doesn't load things proactively, doesn't have a strategy for invalidation) and service workers are just another place for badly written procedural code to hide. It all brings back memories of the ill-fated Netscape Netcaster http://sillydog.org/netscape/communicator/faq/netcaster.php http://sillydog.org/netscape/communicator/faq/netcaster.php and I can't figure out why they just don't introduce something useful like the ability to download a ZIP file with HTML, CSS and images in it and "install" that.
- k__ 10y ago
  > the ability to download a ZIP file with HTML, CSS and images in it and "install" that Isn't the app-cache like that? From what I heared it simply stores a bunch of files for offline use but can't get updated incrementally, like a zip.
  - PaulHoule 10y ago
    See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Using_the_application_cache https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Using_the_... the application cache can make a download sticky or non-sticky in the cache but it does not trigger the download until the web app requests it in the act of doing requests. A Microsoft Office document these days is a ZIP file that has XML files in it as well as images, media files, all kinds of stuff. Why can't I make an old fashioned static web page and upload it like a book? (And then from there develop interactive capabilities)