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> this attitude to dog fooding isn't great. Apple isn't telling people to go use Swift on the server, IBM is. Apple is telling people to write iOS apps in Swif

by omni 10y ago

> this attitude to dog fooding isn't great. Apple isn't telling people to go use Swift on the server, IBM is. Apple is telling people to write iOS apps in Swift, which they are also doing themselves.

valarauca1 10y ago
>Apple isn't telling people to go use Swift on the server, IBM is. I'm aware. This is the (humorous) point I'm attempting to make. IBM is adopting technologies faster then Apple. While Apple started it's life out as the Anti-IBM. Indeed it is still fulfilling this role. The (humorous) point being, their roles have in a way swapped.
- josho 10y ago
  Yes, it is interesting how the companies have evolved. IBM lost the consumer space and is dominant in F100, while Apple won the consumer space and abandoned the enterprise. With both IBM & Apple behind Swift the language is being positioned for success in both enterprise and consumer markets. It will be interesting to see how things evolve.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  I thought Apple was not one to usually adopt technologies quickly. That's been a (fair?) criticism of theirs for some time.
  - azernik 10y ago
    On the contrary - they've usually raced headfirst into abandoning old technologies for the hot new thing (early to have only CD and no floppy, early to get rid of CD drive altogether, early to go to USB-C, early to go to 802.11ac, etc.) They've used their weight to create a one-company network effect for up-and-coming standards and technology.
    - ctdonath 10y ago
      Early? All of those changes were made after long using old technologies. I wouldn't consider it "raced headfirst into abandoning", more like "everyone wanted to abandon those old technologies but couldn't survive being the first to, so Apple made the move and everyone soon followed".
      - kbenson 10y ago
        I don't think you really contradicted anything the GP said, and in some cases you supported it. Apple raced headfirst into abandoning old technologies, which everyone wanted to do but couldn't easily, and was able to pull it off because of their market position and status. Others soon followed. So,"early" not as in before expected, but during the beginning of that time (i.e. more akin to "first").
    - DigitalJack 10y ago
      Using their weight, huh. Apple hit 10% market share with the Mac for the first time in 2012. I think it's something like 15% now.
      - jdmichal 10y ago
        Their "weight" extends beyond their market share. As an easy example: There are many people that don't own an iPhone 7, but who also know that the iPhone 7 tossed the headphone jack.
      - AnAfrican 10y ago
        well yes. If the share was calculated by individual PC models and not by company, even in the PC business, there would be a bunch of Apple stuff ranking quite high. So they can scale on many aspects much better than their competition. (plus they still have margins)
      - nailer 10y ago
        Do you think laptops are the dominant computing device?
- st3v3r 10y ago
  Apple isn't doing anything. That team is. And at the end of the day, their job is to get shit done, not test new languages.

by omni 10y ago

> this attitude to dog fooding isn't great. Apple isn't telling people to go use Swift on the server, IBM is. Apple is telling people to write iOS apps in Swift, which they are also doing themselves.

valarauca1 10y ago

>Apple isn't telling people to go use Swift on the server, IBM is. I'm aware. This is the (humorous) point I'm attempting to make. IBM is adopting technologies faster then Apple. While Apple started it's life out as the Anti-IBM. Indeed it is still fulfilling this role. The (humorous) point being, their roles have in a way swapped.

josho 10y ago
Yes, it is interesting how the companies have evolved. IBM lost the consumer space and is dominant in F100, while Apple won the consumer space and abandoned the enterprise. With both IBM & Apple behind Swift the language is being positioned for success in both enterprise and consumer markets. It will be interesting to see how things evolve.
JustSomeNobody 10y ago
I thought Apple was not one to usually adopt technologies quickly. That's been a (fair?) criticism of theirs for some time.
- azernik 10y ago
  On the contrary - they've usually raced headfirst into abandoning old technologies for the hot new thing (early to have only CD and no floppy, early to get rid of CD drive altogether, early to go to USB-C, early to go to 802.11ac, etc.) They've used their weight to create a one-company network effect for up-and-coming standards and technology.
  - ctdonath 10y ago
    Early? All of those changes were made after long using old technologies. I wouldn't consider it "raced headfirst into abandoning", more like "everyone wanted to abandon those old technologies but couldn't survive being the first to, so Apple made the move and everyone soon followed".
    - kbenson 10y ago
      I don't think you really contradicted anything the GP said, and in some cases you supported it. Apple raced headfirst into abandoning old technologies, which everyone wanted to do but couldn't easily, and was able to pull it off because of their market position and status. Others soon followed. So,"early" not as in before expected, but during the beginning of that time (i.e. more akin to "first").
  - DigitalJack 10y ago
    Using their weight, huh. Apple hit 10% market share with the Mac for the first time in 2012. I think it's something like 15% now.
    - jdmichal 10y ago
      Their "weight" extends beyond their market share. As an easy example: There are many people that don't own an iPhone 7, but who also know that the iPhone 7 tossed the headphone jack.
    - AnAfrican 10y ago
      well yes. If the share was calculated by individual PC models and not by company, even in the PC business, there would be a bunch of Apple stuff ranking quite high. So they can scale on many aspects much better than their competition. (plus they still have margins)
    - nailer 10y ago
      Do you think laptops are the dominant computing device?
st3v3r 10y ago
Apple isn't doing anything. That team is. And at the end of the day, their job is to get shit done, not test new languages.