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We at Toughbyte have recruited and relocated almost twenty mid and senior level developers to Finland for our clients in the last year, more info here: http://t

by olegp 10y ago

We at Toughbyte have recruited and relocated almost twenty mid and senior level developers to Finland for our clients in the last year, more info here: http://toughbyte.com/#recruitment http://toughbyte.com/#recruitment I can confirm that there is indeed a shortage of developers with the right skills. Salary levels is not the issue here. I disagree with the point about bureaucracy in the article. Getting a residence permit once you have an offer is fairly straightforward and takes a few weeks, compared to some other countries in Europe (like Malta for example) where it has taken us months.

toyg 10y ago
> developers with the right skills. Salary levels is not the issue here. In a country that just saw several high-profile tech giants falter and cut thousands of highly-skilled and experienced developers, I find that really difficult to believe, sorry. What sort of skill is so in demand, that legions of C/C++ developers with tons of experience in embedded platforms cannot be retrained for? Are you building teams of brain surgeons? More likely, demand does not match offer in terms of salary expectations, and employers don't want to adjust for one reason or another. This might fit your business model and that's fine, I'm not attacking you. These processes are not specific to Finland, it's globalization in action: producing a virtually unlimited supply of "reserve army of labor".
- olegp 10y ago
  Here's a good post that explains this in a lot more detail: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/7-hurdles-ex-nokia-employee-need-jump-finland-tatu-lund https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/7-hurdles-ex-nokia-employee-n...
  - toyg 10y ago
    Half that post clearly states there are not enough jobs because the Finnish economy is not growing as it used to. The rest boils down to "old people need to retrain", something the government should pay attention to. Importing workforce when natives are jobless is a recipe for social strife.
lagadu 10y ago
> I can confirm that there is indeed a shortage of developers with the right skills. Salary levels is not the issue here. So you're saying with a straight face that if you doubled or quadrupled the salary on offer you still wouldn't find candidates? Are you looking for someone so specialized that only under 10 people in the entire world are able to fill it? Because otherwise it's just a matter of salaries not being enticing enough for people to work for your clients.
- olegp 10y ago
  Developers in Finland don't value salary as much as those in other countries, see here: http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#money-matters-more-in-some-countries http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#mone... There's also the progressive tax which should be taken into account.
  - whamlastxmas 10y ago
    Replace "salary" with "compensation package" and the same argument stands. Offer better salaries, work environments, perks, and vacation days and you'll get all the qualified candidates you could want.
  - lagadu 10y ago
    I live in a nordic country, I know what you mean. Still if you offer superior conditions than everyone else, be that good money or vacation time people will happilly take it both here and everywhere else.

by olegp 10y ago

toyg 10y ago

> developers with the right skills. Salary levels is not the issue here. In a country that just saw several high-profile tech giants falter and cut thousands of highly-skilled and experienced developers, I find that really difficult to believe, sorry. What sort of skill is so in demand, that legions of C/C++ developers with tons of experience in embedded platforms cannot be retrained for? Are you building teams of brain surgeons? More likely, demand does not match offer in terms of salary expectations, and employers don't want to adjust for one reason or another. This might fit your business model and that's fine, I'm not attacking you. These processes are not specific to Finland, it's globalization in action: producing a virtually unlimited supply of "reserve army of labor".

olegp 10y ago
Here's a good post that explains this in a lot more detail: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/7-hurdles-ex-nokia-employee-need-jump-finland-tatu-lund https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/7-hurdles-ex-nokia-employee-n...
- toyg 10y ago
  Half that post clearly states there are not enough jobs because the Finnish economy is not growing as it used to. The rest boils down to "old people need to retrain", something the government should pay attention to. Importing workforce when natives are jobless is a recipe for social strife.

lagadu 10y ago

> I can confirm that there is indeed a shortage of developers with the right skills. Salary levels is not the issue here. So you're saying with a straight face that if you doubled or quadrupled the salary on offer you still wouldn't find candidates? Are you looking for someone so specialized that only under 10 people in the entire world are able to fill it? Because otherwise it's just a matter of salaries not being enticing enough for people to work for your clients.

olegp 10y ago
Developers in Finland don't value salary as much as those in other countries, see here: http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#money-matters-more-in-some-countries http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#mone... There's also the progressive tax which should be taken into account.
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  Replace "salary" with "compensation package" and the same argument stands. Offer better salaries, work environments, perks, and vacation days and you'll get all the qualified candidates you could want.
- lagadu 10y ago
  I live in a nordic country, I know what you mean. Still if you offer superior conditions than everyone else, be that good money or vacation time people will happilly take it both here and everywhere else.