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>being a neo-nazi, a racist, a nudist, a hippy, a Michael Jackson fan, etc are choices, I'm not so sure. Maybe they were brought up that way. You can't choose
by gnarbarian 10y ago
>being a neo-nazi, a racist, a nudist, a hippy, a Michael Jackson fan, etc are choices,
I'm not so sure. Maybe they were brought up that way. You can't choose your parents or your religion in that respect. Muslims have a choice to be Muslim or not, should it be OK to discriminate against them too?
- csallen 10y agoI personally think we live in a deterministic universe and free will is a farce. A serial killer is, ultimately, the product of biological and environmental forces that were out of his control. That said, we still need to draw the line somewhere if we want our laws to be effective. And the universally intuitive place to draw it is between biology and environment. The result is that environmentally unlucky individuals will get screwed so the rest of society can flourish. So yeah, if you had racist parents who brainwashed you with neo-nazi doctrine, I'm fully okay with the government not requiring that you be accepted by society. Religions are a touchy subject for many, but I don't personally believe they should enjoy any special protections. And I say that as an atheist who'd be highly discriminated against by many, many people.
- gnarbarian 10y agoCheers for a great discussion. Here's to hoping we don't get fired for it.
- csallen 10y agoCheers! I'm self-employed, and hopefully I'll be able to remain that way so that won't become a risk for me :)
- jamespo 10y agoThis is an attempt to reframe the argument and is relevant to Eich how? Was he brought up in an anti-gay cult? He's an adult, stop trying to claim he has no responsibility.
- csallen 10y agoI sincerely think we just started getting philosophical and forgot we were talking about Eich.