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American democracy! And yet they want to export it to other countries too. After recent wikileaks leaks, I think we can all agree how deeply corrupt system is.

by 0xFFC 10y ago

criley2 10y ago
It's rather ideological and hilarious for you to use the United States Armed Forces non-democratic and non-civilian justice system to criticize the American democracy. In one tiny post you demonstrate sad ignorance to the subject (anyone with even a -passing- knowledge of civilian vs military justice is laughing at you) as well as the sad bias which empowers your triumphant ignorance, so bravo. Out of curiosity, which nations Military Justice System do you prefer?
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  To be fair, the premise of losing your rights as an American (or as a human) because you decided to serve your country is a fucking joke.
  - criley2 10y ago
    A) You don't lose your rights by being a soldier, but you do face military based restrictions and fall under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military justice. B) The premise of operating a successful military is more important than operating a, uih, civilian military.
    - 0xFFC 10y ago
      I asked a simple question, I don't know why people tries to ignore it, or start throwing everything they got other than giving answer. In which logic putting an unstable person who committed suicide recently in solitary, is acceptable? My question maybe hurt's so bad, since your have thrown everything you got at me, otherthan giving simple answer. Your military justice system is fucking worse than terrorist.
      - criley2 10y ago
        "My question maybe hurt's so bad, since your have thrown everything you got at me, otherthan giving simple answer. Your military justice system is fucking worse than terrorist." I apologize -- I suspected and but didn't fully realize I was dealing with someone who was unhinged. I have thrown basically nothing at you, and your ridiculous defensiveness here is suspect. And to call the Military Justice worse than terrorist [sic] exposes you as non-English. Your rabid bias against America is evident, your overwillingness to use rather petty and ignorant hyperbole is evident, and when someone dares not agree with you, you become unhinged and defensive and quite nasty. Have a good day, Hater, but know that your immature nonsense does nothing but embarrass yourself. P.S. will you watch a video of ISIS beheading people as they scream and blood squirts? Will you watch ISIS dropping 24 children into a vat of acid where they scream for HOURS? Your knowledge of military justice and terrorism makes me wonder your allegiance. One would have to support ISIS to find the acid-torture of children to be better than solitary confinement.
        0xFFC 10y ago
        I am so glad, you fell into that. You finished your answer with comparing your military system with ISIS beheading. That was what I looking at. Your comparison standard for your military system is ISIS, Wow. You literally proved my point. Have good day. BTW It is not secret. I am Iranian. But I don't believe in nationality. I am kinda extreme anarchist.
        criley2 10y ago
        "You finished your answer with comparing your military system with ISIS beheading. That was what I looking at. Your comparison standard for your military system is ISIS, Wow. You literally proved my point." No, it's not, I was mocking you by engaging in the same ignorant and low-effort hyperbole that sadly makes up the bulk of your contribution here. I suppose your limited English skills prevent you from understand ridicule and mockery, so I'll spell it out for you. Don't you see how you just "fell for it"? How I used outrageous hyperbole to literally make fun of you, and you took it seriously?
    - whamlastxmas 10y ago
      So you don't lose your rights, you're just subject to a different set of rights that don't include the rights you originally had. Got it.
- cyberferret 10y ago
  I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel ?!
  - criley2 10y ago
    "I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel ?!" So, you're new to jingoistic nationalism is what you're telling me. Cool, welcome to the 19th century. You have about 200 years of history to catch up on! I'm guessing you've just learned about Napoleon's army based on your opinion, so hoy-boy do you have a wide variety of nationalist nations and their armies to study!
    - cyberferret 10y ago
      True in part. My nation's army (Australia) has a history that goes back to those times, and still has traditions and culture carried forward from that era. But while we do hold our service personnel in high esteem and treat them with respect, we also hold them accountable and try very hard to stamp out incidences of human rights abuse, gender inequality, bullying etc. within our defence force. We tend not to let patriotic fervour limit that accountability.
      - ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
        Scandals and abuse happen in all militaries, even modern Western ones (that aren't American). Don't kid yourself that Australia is immune.
        cyberferret 10y ago
        Oh, I know we are absolutely not immune. This sort of thing is endemic in any large, hierarchical group. We are just less likely to let hero worship cloud our judgement.
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simbalion 10y ago
this particular treatment of suicidal people is not American or limited to America.

American democracy! And yet they want to export it to other countries too. After recent wikileaks leaks, I think we can all agree how deeply corrupt system is.

by 0xFFC 10y ago

American democracy! And yet they want to export it to other countries too. After recent wikileaks leaks, I think we can all agree how deeply corrupt system is.

criley2 10y ago

It's rather ideological and hilarious for you to use the United States Armed Forces non-democratic and non-civilian justice system to criticize the American democracy. In one tiny post you demonstrate sad ignorance to the subject (anyone with even a -passing- knowledge of civilian vs military justice is laughing at you) as well as the sad bias which empowers your triumphant ignorance, so bravo. Out of curiosity, which nations Military Justice System do you prefer?

whamlastxmas 10y ago
To be fair, the premise of losing your rights as an American (or as a human) because you decided to serve your country is a fucking joke.
- criley2 10y ago
  A) You don't lose your rights by being a soldier, but you do face military based restrictions and fall under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military justice. B) The premise of operating a successful military is more important than operating a, uih, civilian military.
  - 0xFFC 10y ago
    I asked a simple question, I don't know why people tries to ignore it, or start throwing everything they got other than giving answer. In which logic putting an unstable person who committed suicide recently in solitary, is acceptable? My question maybe hurt's so bad, since your have thrown everything you got at me, otherthan giving simple answer. Your military justice system is fucking worse than terrorist.
    - criley2 10y ago
      "My question maybe hurt's so bad, since your have thrown everything you got at me, otherthan giving simple answer. Your military justice system is fucking worse than terrorist." I apologize -- I suspected and but didn't fully realize I was dealing with someone who was unhinged. I have thrown basically nothing at you, and your ridiculous defensiveness here is suspect. And to call the Military Justice worse than terrorist [sic] exposes you as non-English. Your rabid bias against America is evident, your overwillingness to use rather petty and ignorant hyperbole is evident, and when someone dares not agree with you, you become unhinged and defensive and quite nasty. Have a good day, Hater, but know that your immature nonsense does nothing but embarrass yourself. P.S. will you watch a video of ISIS beheading people as they scream and blood squirts? Will you watch ISIS dropping 24 children into a vat of acid where they scream for HOURS? Your knowledge of military justice and terrorism makes me wonder your allegiance. One would have to support ISIS to find the acid-torture of children to be better than solitary confinement.
      - 0xFFC 10y ago
        I am so glad, you fell into that. You finished your answer with comparing your military system with ISIS beheading. That was what I looking at. Your comparison standard for your military system is ISIS, Wow. You literally proved my point. Have good day. BTW It is not secret. I am Iranian. But I don't believe in nationality. I am kinda extreme anarchist.
        criley2 10y ago
        "You finished your answer with comparing your military system with ISIS beheading. That was what I looking at. Your comparison standard for your military system is ISIS, Wow. You literally proved my point." No, it's not, I was mocking you by engaging in the same ignorant and low-effort hyperbole that sadly makes up the bulk of your contribution here. I suppose your limited English skills prevent you from understand ridicule and mockery, so I'll spell it out for you. Don't you see how you just "fell for it"? How I used outrageous hyperbole to literally make fun of you, and you took it seriously?
  - whamlastxmas 10y ago
    So you don't lose your rights, you're just subject to a different set of rights that don't include the rights you originally had. Got it.
cyberferret 10y ago
I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel ?!
- criley2 10y ago
  "I find it at odds that a nation that has such ardour and pride for their servicemen and servicewomen would basically condone human rights abuse by and unto those same personnel ?!" So, you're new to jingoistic nationalism is what you're telling me. Cool, welcome to the 19th century. You have about 200 years of history to catch up on! I'm guessing you've just learned about Napoleon's army based on your opinion, so hoy-boy do you have a wide variety of nationalist nations and their armies to study!
  - cyberferret 10y ago
    True in part. My nation's army (Australia) has a history that goes back to those times, and still has traditions and culture carried forward from that era. But while we do hold our service personnel in high esteem and treat them with respect, we also hold them accountable and try very hard to stamp out incidences of human rights abuse, gender inequality, bullying etc. within our defence force. We tend not to let patriotic fervour limit that accountability.
    - ZanyProgrammer 10y ago
      Scandals and abuse happen in all militaries, even modern Western ones (that aren't American). Don't kid yourself that Australia is immune.
      - cyberferret 10y ago
        Oh, I know we are absolutely not immune. This sort of thing is endemic in any large, hierarchical group. We are just less likely to let hero worship cloud our judgement.
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simbalion 10y ago

this particular treatment of suicidal people is not American or limited to America.