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Fair enough, though I wonder if you really need to buy it to realise that you don't have a use for it. I suppose a trial run is reasonable, in case it has some

Fair enough, though I wonder if you really need to buy it to realise that you don't have a use for it. I suppose a trial run is reasonable, in case it has some magic use you don't consider till you have it. I'm still though, to this day, boggled by the commenters who seem to think that a Flashless browser is crippled. What sites do these people use all day whereby the Internet is entirely useless without Flash? I see it only on an occasional Flash Game and video sites who have not yet rolled out HTML5 (a number dwindling month on month). Once a particular TV catchup service I use deploys <video>, I'll literally see Flash once a week. Is there some usage pattern for the web that I'm unaware of, wherein people require Flash continuously?

watty 17y ago
I don't really look for it but I noticed earlier today that ESPN/ESPN360 use Flash. Also most porn sites use Flash and nearly all game sites use Flash (jayisgames.com is one of my top 5 sites). For me, those 3 above limitations make the flash-less web "crippled".
- archgrove 17y ago
  I think EPSN (and porn :) are basically just video. Porn is normally at the cutting edge of tech, so I expect <video> there soon enough and I'd guess EPSN would get it once enough of their users start moaning. So, in the long term, this once again just leaves "games" - something the iOS isn't really suffering a shortage of. I didn't believe it even 6 months ago, but given how many sites I use are now rolling out <video>, I'm coming around to the idea that Flash could be largely irrelevant within a year or two. The only holdout that might cause problems will be the landing page/"entire site as flash" 'designer' nonsense. How quickly those transition to HTML 5 (or a sane end user experience) will be interesting to watch.
usaar333 17y ago
There was a lot of hype that it was a great browsing experience; he might have bought it just to see what it is all about. I personally share his feelings - I enjoyed using my roomates' iPad initially, but it quickly proved useless relative to my laptop. Part of the issue was that it was so darn uncomfortable to use.

watty 17y ago

I don't really look for it but I noticed earlier today that ESPN/ESPN360 use Flash. Also most porn sites use Flash and nearly all game sites use Flash (jayisgames.com is one of my top 5 sites). For me, those 3 above limitations make the flash-less web "crippled".

archgrove 17y ago
I think EPSN (and porn :) are basically just video. Porn is normally at the cutting edge of tech, so I expect <video> there soon enough and I'd guess EPSN would get it once enough of their users start moaning. So, in the long term, this once again just leaves "games" - something the iOS isn't really suffering a shortage of. I didn't believe it even 6 months ago, but given how many sites I use are now rolling out <video>, I'm coming around to the idea that Flash could be largely irrelevant within a year or two. The only holdout that might cause problems will be the landing page/"entire site as flash" 'designer' nonsense. How quickly those transition to HTML 5 (or a sane end user experience) will be interesting to watch.

usaar333 17y ago

There was a lot of hype that it was a great browsing experience; he might have bought it just to see what it is all about. I personally share his feelings - I enjoyed using my roomates' iPad initially, but it quickly proved useless relative to my laptop. Part of the issue was that it was so darn uncomfortable to use.