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What jobs? All the ones I know of are for people with "experience" with XYZ. Pardon if out of the bazillion candidates in this world, biz's can't find that oxym

What jobs? All the ones I know of are for people with "experience" with XYZ. Pardon if out of the bazillion candidates in this world, biz's can't find that oxymoron of a candidate: the perfect, outgoing socialite whose as good at brown-nosing as he is on the PC. You could roll the dice to go to school and end up stuck in debt over your head (btw, loan defaults are ever on the rise). There's more to this story than just the problems of getting a job. Society has become very digitized, and more and more, I'm seeing children play LESS because of busy schedules, so it gets replaced by the next most convenient addicting thing: video games. Result? - Loss of imagination. When I hear of schools "bringing in technology", I can only cringe at how insert explicative the administration must be to not realize that technology is not a solution, it's only a tool. Kids aren't getting smarter (in fact, I only hear it's getting worse), they are becoming less inspired. Some guys I know got their degrees and only looked for work because they knew they needed it, but they had effectively no passion, no dream at doing much in life, and the fun they had was primarily from gaming. As someone who dreamed of doing big things, I found myself rather lonely in my objectives. (Needless to say, I don't play video games.) Anyone else felt this way?

andrewstuart 10y ago
There's jobs for people who work hard. The vast majority of people don't want to do the hard work required to get a job. A sense of entitlement for a job won't lead to anything except sitting at home playing video games wondering why no one has recognised the game players genius. It's easy to overcome lack of experience - at least in the field of software development - by using your time not playing computer games but by programming and writing code for a well-known open source project. People don't want to hear this advice though - they want to know if there is an easier way.
- fjjrxcbdhx 10y ago
  >There's jobs for people who work hard. So let's think this tautology through. It's difficult to get a job -> person is not able to get employment -> person becomes unemployed -> only lazy people are unemployed -> lazy people don't want jobs -> therefore everyone is employed
  - andrewstuart 10y ago
    You can make my words say that if you want.
    - fjjrxcbdhx 10y ago
      It's an empty statement because as long as anyone is employed, there will still be "enough jobs for people who work hard." It doesn't matter if there's 99.999% unemployment, since working hard by your definition is circularly referenced to already having a job. The word for that is a tautology.
- ethanbond 10y ago
  I think people want to know why there's no longer an easier way. It seems people 50 years ago didn't have to dedicate their waking hours from 6 to 18 years old constructing an impressive enough resume to give them the luxury of then dumping a hundred thousand dollars on an employable education. Software has an obscenely low bar for getting experience, you're right. Software comprises enough job vacancies to employ the country? The simple fact is that the system is obviously broken, and it should be just as obvious that it wasn't broke by the people who weren't yet born when it fell apart. I'll tell you, I'm a pretty hard worker. I work nowhere near as hard as the laborers down the street who go day in day out being told this incoherent narrative of "just work harder and it'll pay off!" There's no reason to believe that it will. Why wouldn't they just do bare minimum and go home and play video games?
  - andrewstuart 10y ago
    I only know employment in IT. I have no doubt that people in other sectors, particularly blue collar, have it much harder.
    - internaut 10y ago
      It is normal for blue collar workers to make 2x - 4x more than white collar workers today. This is in my area so things may be different elsewhere. Kids don't want to go into blue collar work because it is looked down upon as a 'lack of advancement' or similar middle class trope.
      - ethanbond 10y ago
        Uh it might be normal for some. And by some I mean highly skilled unionized workers. Let's not forget the millions of blue collar workers who had their jobs disappear overnight in the past 15 years. Many of these people showed loyalty to their employers for spans of several decades. Of course, loyalty plays no role in the calculus of capitalism. You think a kid should aspire to a blue collar job right after an entire generation of blue collar workers were laid off at the stroke of a pen? Right when every other post on the front page of HN carries foreboding of an automation job-pocalypse just a decade after an outsourcing job-pocalypse? You're a maniac. Anyone capable of evaluating these options with an ounce of foresight is going to take the gamble on college and make a desperate debt-ridden attempt to scramble to the top of the knowledge economy. The only economy that isn't demonstrably under threat.
tomjen3 10y ago
Doesn't matter if the business wants x y and z, if you only have x you write a letter and apply anyway. As in dating, let the other partner turn you down.
yread 10y ago
> What jobs? My first thought was "What games?"

andrewstuart 10y ago

There's jobs for people who work hard. The vast majority of people don't want to do the hard work required to get a job. A sense of entitlement for a job won't lead to anything except sitting at home playing video games wondering why no one has recognised the game players genius. It's easy to overcome lack of experience - at least in the field of software development - by using your time not playing computer games but by programming and writing code for a well-known open source project. People don't want to hear this advice though - they want to know if there is an easier way.

fjjrxcbdhx 10y ago
>There's jobs for people who work hard. So let's think this tautology through. It's difficult to get a job -> person is not able to get employment -> person becomes unemployed -> only lazy people are unemployed -> lazy people don't want jobs -> therefore everyone is employed
- andrewstuart 10y ago
  You can make my words say that if you want.
  - fjjrxcbdhx 10y ago
    It's an empty statement because as long as anyone is employed, there will still be "enough jobs for people who work hard." It doesn't matter if there's 99.999% unemployment, since working hard by your definition is circularly referenced to already having a job. The word for that is a tautology.
ethanbond 10y ago
I think people want to know why there's no longer an easier way. It seems people 50 years ago didn't have to dedicate their waking hours from 6 to 18 years old constructing an impressive enough resume to give them the luxury of then dumping a hundred thousand dollars on an employable education. Software has an obscenely low bar for getting experience, you're right. Software comprises enough job vacancies to employ the country? The simple fact is that the system is obviously broken, and it should be just as obvious that it wasn't broke by the people who weren't yet born when it fell apart. I'll tell you, I'm a pretty hard worker. I work nowhere near as hard as the laborers down the street who go day in day out being told this incoherent narrative of "just work harder and it'll pay off!" There's no reason to believe that it will. Why wouldn't they just do bare minimum and go home and play video games?
- andrewstuart 10y ago
  I only know employment in IT. I have no doubt that people in other sectors, particularly blue collar, have it much harder.
  - internaut 10y ago
    It is normal for blue collar workers to make 2x - 4x more than white collar workers today. This is in my area so things may be different elsewhere. Kids don't want to go into blue collar work because it is looked down upon as a 'lack of advancement' or similar middle class trope.
    - ethanbond 10y ago
      Uh it might be normal for some. And by some I mean highly skilled unionized workers. Let's not forget the millions of blue collar workers who had their jobs disappear overnight in the past 15 years. Many of these people showed loyalty to their employers for spans of several decades. Of course, loyalty plays no role in the calculus of capitalism. You think a kid should aspire to a blue collar job right after an entire generation of blue collar workers were laid off at the stroke of a pen? Right when every other post on the front page of HN carries foreboding of an automation job-pocalypse just a decade after an outsourcing job-pocalypse? You're a maniac. Anyone capable of evaluating these options with an ounce of foresight is going to take the gamble on college and make a desperate debt-ridden attempt to scramble to the top of the knowledge economy. The only economy that isn't demonstrably under threat.

tomjen3 10y ago

Doesn't matter if the business wants x y and z, if you only have x you write a letter and apply anyway. As in dating, let the other partner turn you down.

yread 10y ago

> What jobs? My first thought was "What games?"